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Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:37 am

little gnomes live under my couch, they only come out at night...they always lower my tuning by a few cents on every string...if I ever catch em, I'm gonna kick some serius gnome ass...

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:38 am

Hink, what sort of guitar music are you into?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:40 am

Andrew Vernon wrote:This is electric. I stopped playing accoustic because it was fkucing boring me

you still got an acoustic?
mic it up,laid up on a chair or table will do,nip out to the shop(corner shop usually) buy either some marbles or a couple of bouncy balls...
fx and bamshazamalakazam or something,or flick elastic bands at the strings from around the room too

acoustics ROCK!

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:42 am

vurt wrote:
Andrew Vernon wrote:This is electric. I stopped playing accoustic because it was fkucing boring me

you still got an acoustic?
mic it up,laid up on a chair or table will do,nip out to the shop(corner shop usually) buy either some marbles or a couple of bouncy balls...
fx and bamshazamalakazam or something,or flick elastic bands at the strings from around the room too
acoustics ROCK!

I sold it to pay for repairs and to get other stuff I needed. I did use it for my university "prepared guitar" piece though.

Snowmusic · Post by **Snowmusic** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:42 am

Changing tunings on a guitar will change the amount of stress on the neck which is counter-acted by the truss rod. Intonation can also be affected. As long as you don't go to extremes with the tunings everything should be fine. Although adjustments may be needed.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:43 am

Andrew Vernon wrote:

Hink, what sort of guitar music are you into?

I'll get writers cramp answering that...

Most of it I guess...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:47 am

Hink wrote:
I'll get writers cramp answering that... Most of it I guess...

gong/hillage?
steve wilson/porcupine tree?
ozric tentacles?
psychomuzak?
neu?
donovan?
bob dylan?
pixies?
nirvana?
tad?
sonic youth?
j mascis/dinosaur jr?

any of them or similar

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:49 am

vurt wrote:
gong/hillage? Not heard of.
steve wilson/porcupine tree? Love PT - Going to see them on the 7th!!
ozric tentacles? Yup!
psychomuzak? Huh?
neu? Huh?
donovan? Huh?
bob dylan? Yup!
pixies? Yup!
nirvana? Yup!
tad? Huh?
sonic youth? YUP YUP!
j mascis/dinosaur jr? ... No.

any of them or similar

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:51 am

vurt wrote:
Hink wrote:
I'll get writers cramp answering that... Most of it I guess...

gong/hillage?
steve wilson/porcupine tree?
ozric tentacles?
psychomuzak?
neu?
donovan?
bob dylan?
pixies?
nirvana?
tad?
sonic youth?
j mascis/dinosaur jr?

any of them or similar

and a whole lot more...I use to watch hee haw just to see roy clark...if you don't know what hee haw is...well it's like a bunch of you in a corn field with hot babes (not getting any though) all telling really bad jokes about chase and his kind...

Frippertronix · Post by **Frippertronix** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:55 am

Blowing on your guitar can change the intonation (and no I don't mean pleasuring it while it talks to senators on the phone and chows on pizza). Almost any change of any kind anywhere near a guitar will cause it to change it's intonation, which includes humidity changes, absorption of sweat from your hands, changes in the top if it's an acoustic(drying/wetting of the top). Certainly changing the tuning at all will change the bow of the neck, as was mentioned above.

A different neck bow results in different string height which will result in the necessity to change the string length to compensate, or to adjust the truss rod to elimiate the change. Then there is the question of the physics of the same string mass vibrating at a different pitch (from stadard tuning)and how that changes the harmonics, though I'm not qualified to say how that affects intonation.

But it all depends on how "in tune" you really feel you need to play. If you listen to a lot of open-tuned recordings they are at least slightly out of tune. Jimmy Page got famous playing out of tune.

Or, as Jimi Hendrix said "Only cowboys play in tune.."

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:55 am

find fidh rising by steve hillage or any of the radio gnome trilogy by gong,aside from syds floyd these and soft machine are waht i grew up on (my uncle was a stoner hippy) gong from past stuff of yours ive heard and if you like early porcupine tree(sunday of life era) you should be ok with the gnome trilogy

i was askin hink tho to be honest as i dont really know much about the tunes he listens to

even tho ive known him on here ages,and no not just a random list but the guitar based on my current playlist not neccassarilly faves or such altho hillage is the best guitarist ever!

Frippertronix · Post by **Frippertronix** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:58 am

To Hink, in response to saying that using different tunings will not affect the intonation, have you checked that with a strobe tuner?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:16 am

Frippertronix wrote:Blowing on your guitar can change the intonation (and no I don't mean pleasuring it while it talks to senators on the phone and chows on pizza). Almost any change of any kind anywhere near a guitar will cause it to change it's intonation, which includes humidity changes, absorption of sweat from your hands, changes in the top if it's an acoustic(drying/wetting of the top). Certainly changing the tuning at all will change the bow of the neck, as was mentioned above.

A different neck bow results in different string height which will result in the necessity to change the string length to compensate, or to adjust the truss rod to elimiate the change. Then there is the question of the physics of the same string mass vibrating at a different pitch (from stadard tuning)and how that changes the harmonics, though I'm not qualified to say how that affects intonation.

But it all depends on how "in tune" you really feel you need to play. If you listen to a lot of open-tuned recordings they are at least slightly out of tune. Jimmy Page got famous playing out of tune.

Or, as Jimi Hendrix said "Only cowboys play in tune.."

sorry but the amount of difference you suggest devided by two is not enough difference for the human ear to percieve. Intonation is only effected by string lengths, not tension. If it's a big enough bow then the guitar is probably junk, or the truss has snapped.

Transperformance guitars are use by some great players

http://transperformance.com/test/index2.htm

the design is flawless (and yes I've played it)

his faqs

http://transperformance.com/news/index.htm

Does the Performer affect intonation?

No. Intonation is altered by changes in string length. The Performer changes tunings by adjusting the tension of the strings while keeping the string length constant.

these guitars run up to and over 5k, I think he might know what he's talking about....though it is simple trig...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:24 am

Frippertronix wrote:To Hink, in response to saying that using different tunings will not affect the intonation, have you checked that with a strobe tuner?

don't have to, I can prove it without it...a strobe might show some change, but like I say not one we can not hear. Many, many guitarists outside of rock and Roll use myriad of tunings...especially on acoustic and classical guitars. Acoustic's dont have intonation settings...surely they dont have guitars built for different tunings...it is in fact one of the biggest mis-conceptions about alternate tunings...and yes I have studied this a lot...

Patrick9 · Post by **Patrick9** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:31 am

I just got sucked in to the Transperformance guitar site - pity that there is not a drool or lust icon.

I use 4 or 5 different tunings on acoustic guitar and have never had any serious problems with the the strings or guitar intonation.

Is it bad to constantly retune a guitar to different tunings