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Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:16 pm

She's getting a head-start on retro-90s. Problem is, people aren't quite done with retro-80s and ready to move on to retro-90s yet. Though, some recent tracks on the rock charts smack vaguely of grunge.

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:18 pm

madonna is a great performer and her shows are awesome, if you like song and dance, so who gives a friggin hoot about autotuners. anyway, even placido domingo is known to sing out of tune from time to time and i'll pay up to hear him in a heart beat.

and songs like "take a bow," "ray of light" and "beautiful stranger" kick ass. i'll take those as models of good writing and great production any day of the week.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:23 pm

Those three songs take on even deeper, more meaningfully significant significance when sung as duets by Madonna AND Placido Domingo. Listen for yourself, then try to tell me it's not so.

And I agree with you 100% that when it comes to being a singer, Madonna is a great performer. (A little Gracie Allen-George Burns joke there.)

drez · Post by **drez** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:48 pm

politcat wrote:madonna is a great performer and her shows are awesome, if you like song and dance, so who gives a friggin hoot about autotuners. anyway, even placido domingo is known to sing out of tune from time to time and i'll pay up to hear him in a heart beat.

I agree. She's a performer. I'd hate to see all of you ugly mugs prancin about a huge stage with millions of people watching you.

Most likely, I'd puke instantly.

politcat wrote: and songs like "take a bow," "ray of light" and "beautiful stranger" kick ass. i'll take those as models of good writing and great production any day of the week.

Agreed. I listen to the Ray of Light album alot and there are some awesome remixes out there. I think there is a pretty defined line between singer and performer.

Meffy wrote: And I agree with you 100% that when it comes to being a singer, Madonna is a great performer.

To me, she has a voice that you instantly recognize and in the pop world, that's exactly what you want.

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:02 pm

whoa! i did not mean to imply madonna can't sing. i like her voice and, as you say, it's distinctive.

she isn't the best singer out there, but she's far from the worst.

what i meant is, overall she is still one of the top performers in pop.

3*s · Post by **3*s** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:10 pm

I always thought it was Cher who was in partener with Antares.

Manc Chris · Post by **Manc Chris** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:40 pm

3*s wrote:I always thought it was Cher who was in partener with Antares.

Cher used it on one song. Old overrated Madge - "which shit hot producer should I use this week to enhance my undeserved rep even further?" - uses it all over her NEW album. Out. Of. Time.

2windy · Post by **2windy** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:53 pm

I don't think Madonna makes music for elitist pricks like ourselves!

If the album goes platinum then she has made a good choice. She makes music for people that like that kind of music, usually pop/dance, I wouldn't even think they notice that the same effect is used that much.

I don't get this 'using that is so [insert own insult here]' thing.

drez · Post by **drez** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:56 pm

politcat wrote:whoa! i did not mean to imply madonna can't sing. i like her voice and, as you say, it's distinctive.

she isn't the best singer out there, but she's far from the worst.

what i meant is, overall she is still one of the top performers in pop.

I agree...I like her voice too

If everybody sang like Mariah Carey, music would be very boring. Who says people have to sing "on key" to be good singers anyway? To me, its abaout being creative with it and that makes it unique and enjoyable to listen to. I mean seriously, theres music out there where people are basically just screaming at the top of there lungs in a microphone as loud as they can. Does that mean that they suck? Possibly, but lots of time its unique musical context makes it sound really good in the music. Some people can scream better than others and it sounds amazing (bring on the innuendo).

Zack De La Rocha from Rage is called a "lead singer" but I've never heard him sing a note in his life. Could he sing the star spangled banner? Maybe, but I bet it wouldn't be that great. Is he now worthless because he can't "sing" like "l33t" vocalists?

(NOTE: Now I'm sure people are going to post "I think Rage sucks anyway, so nyah". Well, you are proving the point that people like diversity...you may not like Rage, but lots of other people do. Same with Madonna.)

3*s · Post by **3*s** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:05 pm

Manc Chris wrote:
3*s wrote:I always thought it was Cher who was in partener with Antares.
Cher used it on one song. Old overrated Madge - "which shit hot producer should I use this week to enhance my undeserved rep even further?" - uses it all over her NEW album. Out. Of. Time.

Yeah, I'm just alluding to old kvr stereotypes cause I think it's funny.

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:12 pm

drez wrote:To me, its abaout being creative with it and that makes it unique and enjoyable to listen to... [and a lot of other good stuff]

nice post. agreed!

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:22 pm

So, autotuning the bejesus out of the vocals is now creative?

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:50 pm

GIANT DRAG is retro 90s, sound like a female singing version of my bloody valentine, and smashing pumpkins. only shitter..

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:09 pm

madonna shoulda got out of the porn biz. she mighta made some better music

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:22 pm

jmh wrote:So, autotuning the bejesus out of the vocals is now creative?

<sigh>

Madonna in partnership with Antares?