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DuX · Post by **DuX** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:06 am

jackson wrote:
rounser wrote:
I don't like genres, just what sounds -good-.
Genres generally exist because what they represent, as a style, sounds good.
They're also great for me when I'm record shopping. I'm terrible at remembering producers names and in particular track names.

When i'm in a store and the staff are running around grabbing rekkids for me, apart from record labels, the only thing I go by is "Yeah, I'm after some gritty glitchy Chicago bumping funky shit" type of descriptions.

Now that's a genre. grittyglitchyChicagobumpingfunkyshithouse

OTOH, of course there should be genres, but just a general few genres. At least for - when you go shopping for CD's. I always say I play electronic industrial or EBM, but in general, I mix a lot of other genres in it. That's what I'm bitchin about

. What if I said: I'm playing Industrial-electronic-drum and bass-techno-ambient-gothic-classic music with a tad of hard core-death metal and sometimes punk and a bit of jazz?

It would be just too funny...

In general it's just plain old Electronic Industrial, just a bit -modernised- in order to sound more -fresh-. That's what I'm bitching about.

Cheeers!

jackson · Post by **jackson** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:15 am

DuX wrote:What if I said: I'm playing Industrial-electronic-drum and bass-techno-ambient-gothic-classic music with a tad of hard core-death metal and sometimes punk and a bit of jazz?

I'd say in return "...Good luck with that, mate" and follow either of two courses of action:

1: Run for the f**king hills
2: Kill you and put you out of your obvious misery.

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:18 am

DuX wrote:Industrial has always been "electronic" in nature

Well, you had people calling Tool, Helmet, etc. "industrial" despite being guitar-based... probably because they had names like "Tool" and "Helmet" and "Prong"

Also, there's Einsteurzende Neubauten, often considered industrial but usually electro-acoustic.

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:18 am

I looked at a forum mentioned earlier in this thread. There's a 1 hour dnb mix which gets all sorts of semi-literate praise in the thread (though usually the posts don't stretch to more than six words).

By god it's awful no-form drum machine rubbish. Really pitiful. I won't feel bad about slagging off dnb anymore.

(The intro is OK, but wait for the real dnb to start)

http://dnbforum.com/showthread.php?s=ea ... f4&t=21183

Entheogen · Post by **Entheogen** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:19 am

Jazzy Death Ambient Punkdustrial seems to be on a big resurgence lately.

PS: foosnark do you count "solely guitar feedback" as "guitar"?

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:25 am

jackson wrote:
DuX wrote:What if I said: I'm playing Industrial-electronic-drum and bass-techno-ambient-gothic-classic music with a tad of hard core-death metal and sometimes punk and a bit of jazz?
I'd say in return "...Good luck with that, mate" and follow either of two courses of action:

1: Run for the fkucing hills
2: Kill you and put you out of your obvious misery.

Well, doesn't everybody mix a bit of this and that sometimes into your -main genre-?

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:28 am

Entheogen wrote:Jazzy Death Ambient Punkdustrial Techhop Poprock Metalstep and Bass

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:30 am

foosnark wrote:
DuX wrote:Industrial has always been "electronic" in nature
Well, you had people calling Tool, Helmet, etc. "industrial" despite being guitar-based... probably because they had names like "Tool" and "Helmet" and "Prong"

Also, there's Einsteurzende Neubauten, often considered industrial but usually electro-acoustic.

Yep. And I like Ministry a lot, too, who are considered -Industrial- and believe me there's not too much electronics envolved, pretty much just the resistors, capacitors and IC's in those pre-amps, mics and such

. Tool's cool... Einsturzende, too and they haven't sniffed/used too much synths I think, EN maybe, but Tool-no F-way.

Cheers!

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:31 am

Me go kill my eye... f-late here.

Entheogen · Post by **Entheogen** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:37 am

It's got to be that Tool gets lumped in casually just because its a (NON INDUSTRIAL) band that a lot of industrial fans happen to like as well.

Entheogen · Post by **Entheogen** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:42 am

I'd give ministry a tiny bit of leeway since they're more sample-heavy.

butter · Post by **butter** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:17 am

Entheogen wrote:Jazzy Death Ambient Punkdustrial seems to be on a big resurgence lately.

PS: foosnark do you count "solely guitar feedback" as "guitar"?

I would say it's been around for a while now. Painkiller by Bill Laswell, Mick Harris and John Zorn sound familiar? Actually, a lot of stuff on John Zorn's label would fall into that category. Mick Harris has the Deathambient Punkdustrial covered and Bill Laswell and John Zorn both cover the jazzy part (dubby too in Laswell's case).

I don't know if anyone noticed but there haven't been any really readically different forms of music for a while. I think a lot of people are working on developing from the last wave. I have a feeling that by 2007 there will be a couple of drastically different new styles of music (seems to happen in 10 year cycles).

bubbleguuum · Post by **bubbleguuum** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:21 am

peejunk wrote: Same like with techno, everything intereisting is going on in it's minimal, clicky and deep sides, while the dominating hardbanging stuff has sets sounding like one 16bar percussive loop with few fx and edits put on endless repeat.

That's not exactky true, there's some great and interesting techno still produced today. Check out latest releases of vince watson, kirk degiorgio, erp, delsin (label), dan curtin. And it's not minimal which being minimal can also be very boring.

Here's a mix I made a few days ago with what I consider good music (55min / 78Mo / mp3 VBR)

http://bubbleguuum.free.fr/bubbleguuum% ... %20mix.mp3

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:21 am

Cabinfever wrote:There's a 1 hour dnb mix which gets all sorts of semi-literate praise in the thread (though usually the posts don't stretch to more than six words).

By god it's awful no-form drum machine rubbish. Really pitiful. I won't feel bad about slagging off dnb anymore.

(The intro is OK, but wait for the real dnb to start)

http://dnbforum.com/showthread.php?s=ea ... f4&t=21183

I dont only speak in defense of DnB when I say GOOD GOD what an ignorant thing to say.

You've altered your entire taste by a few tracks provided by ONE example? Even if oyu count the different tracks as multiple cases, it's still by ONE selector. Am i getting this wrong?

Landphil · Post by **Landphil** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:40 am

DuX wrote:What if I said: I'm playing Industrial-electronic-drum and bass-techno-ambient-gothic-classic music with a tad of hard core-death metal and sometimes punk and a bit of jazz?

Kinda reminds me of the 80's when everyone went multi-cultural:

"I'm Dutch-Irish-Catholic-English with African-Christian lineage leaning toward Asian ancestry, since my triple Great Grandparents were 1/3 Native American and my cousins are Pentecostal Muslims with 9/16 Canadian heritage!"

Too many genres for me!

I can still, in my old-fartly ways, classify everything into 11 categories :

Rock
Jazz
Swing / Big Band
Country / Bluegrass
Classical / Orchestral
Pop / Pap Smear
New age / ambient
Dance / Trance / Etcetera kick on quarter notes
Rap / Etcetera Hop
Ethnic
Experimental / Bloops and Bleeps

Everything else is just self proclaimed "I'm original!" grandeur, and is nothing but a miniscule change in an already existing genre.
WAY too many isolationists for me.

And what twit decided that using the French word "Genre"would make them seem more cultural than simply calling it as they knew it: "STYLE"?

Some French bastard?

Is this how modern day electronic scene reaslly is ?