Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[AndrewSimon]

So, the emulation is either
A) so bad that Mesa and Vox want their names in no way associated with this product, and definitely don't want people thinking their amps sound like this,
OR
B) so good that they're actually afraid that all hardware amps will lose their value, and don't want people to realize that this is a cheaper alternative.

Yeah, I picked A too. Line6 calls it the A-30. NI calls it the AC-Box. But now IK can't call it anything close to "Vox AC30", and can't even use the cloth pattern. What's up with that?

It's more like:

C) If we don't make any money out of it, why shouldn't we threaten with legal action?
After all they are paying Ampeg, we want some too.
or
Software is our enemy and we don't want any part of it.


I am kinda on the hardware manufacturers side.
Emulating your hardware is one thing, doing every trick in the book to cash in on your "brand recognition" that you built over the last 30 to 100 years is simply not right.

I think IK simply had it both ways.
We all know by now that the "blue one" is the VOX even though the final product will not have the "brand recognition" symbols........ maybe announcing the product 1 year ago was not a bad marketing decision after all.

[Hink]

the riffs are being finalized....funny that sounds a little fishy too me...I mean the riffs and demos should be raw....this sounds like they are being polished. I dont see that as anything but bullshit, so maybe you can tell us what they are doing to "finalize" them....face it with an amp sim you could have a handful of guitar players and have mp3 demos of most stuff in under a week.

It sounds like they are trying to make the demos sound good...I would want to hear them raw and unprocessed....not cleaned up...if they use noise reduction after the recording the demo is useless imo, if the eq it after the demo is useless imo, if they add DP of any kind the demo imo is useless...I don't want to know how it could sound, but how it sounds.

I know Squids you have no control over this so it isn't personal, but the excuse why the demos aren't available imo makes IK look worse...

[beergeek]

I did find out what the hold up is on AT2. Although, I don't understand it technically because I don't write code. It has a whole new framework that will power AT2 as well as Ampeg so it is a complex beast I am sure. The developers want to get it just right and I respect that. I am patiently waiting for the final version to play with myself. Obviously it will be at NAMM. So, get your ticket and go to Anaheim to play with it yourself! I know some of you will be there and I look forward to hanging a bit with some KVRians.

Now, back to work. Squids = busy.

When you say it will be at NAMM is that a hint that it will be ready or just that it's going to demo'd at NAMM?

I totally understand the developers (I write code for a living myself ) The LAST thing you want to do is have the marketing weenies put out a product that's not ready and YOU get inundated with bug fixes.

--Rob

[Squids]

the riffs are being finalized....funny that sounds a little fishy too me...I mean the riffs and demos should be raw....

You guys read into everything! Finalized as in collecting all of the different ones and choosing which ones to put on line. Jeeez! Just trying to keep you guys updated here. But, you know it kind of makes me look bad if you interpret my words to mean negative things. I didn't say the riffs were being doctored, denoized, mastered etc. In fact, I know that they ARE raw. Look, I don't want to piss off the person making those riffs so please don't misinterpret what I am saying. If you want to ask me if that's the case, I will do my best to clarify (like I just did). Otherwise, I will have to say nothing then if you guys are going to have overactive imaginations.

That said, Hink, you know we love you man. Peace.

[Squids]

I did find out what the hold up is on AT2. Although, I don't understand it technically because I don't write code. It has a whole new framework that will power AT2 as well as Ampeg so it is a complex beast I am sure. The developers want to get it just right and I respect that. I am patiently waiting for the final version to play with myself. Obviously it will be at NAMM. So, get your ticket and go to Anaheim to play with it yourself! I know some of you will be there and I look forward to hanging a bit with some KVRians.

Now, back to work. Squids = busy.

When you say it will be at NAMM is that a hint that it will be ready or just that it's going to demo'd at NAMM?

I totally understand the developers (I write code for a living myself ) The LAST thing you want to do is have the marketing weenies put out a product that's not ready and YOU get inundated with bug fixes.

--Rob

All I know is that it will be at NAMM... because of COURSE it has to be at NAMM! Also, my version seems closer to the final version which leads me to believe that it is getting close. Beyond that, I am not in the position to say. But, you could probably guess that it will be at NAMM since you have the same anticipation and anxious users waiting except LIVE in your face! So, one BETTER have something for those hungry guitarists to play!

[Hink]

the riffs are being finalized....funny that sounds a little fishy too me...I mean the riffs and demos should be raw....

You guys read into everything! Finalized as in collecting all of the different ones and choosing which ones to put on line. Jeeez! Just trying to keep you guys updated here. But, you know it kind of makes me look bad if you interpret my words to mean negative things. I don't want to piss off the person making those riffs! I will have to say nothing then if you guys are going to have overactive imaginations and paranoia.

First squids I went out my way to say it wasn't personal...but I take some offense at your reply...f**k the person making the riff, you would rather piss off customers? If they are mking them as they should and I'm wrong, then why do they take so long?...I want to know it's real and get accused of being paranoid...you know what? I don't like magic on tv either...your reply was uncalled for...


FWIW I don't jump to conclusions about any gear and am very open minded...you just closd it some by your response...

[A_Gruesome_Discovery]

It's more like:

C) If we don't make any money out of it, why shouldn't we threaten with legal action?

But are these companies making money from Line6 and NI? That's what I was getting at... however:

After all they are paying Ampeg, we want some too.

Good point. Hadn't considered that they're partnered with one amp maker, thus lighting a possible fire under all the others' asses. Well played.

[Hink]

I had to drive the wife to work (5 minutes up the street), now I'm back .

FWIW Squids guitar playing is what pumps the blood through my veins, I am damn critical when it comes to my sound...I don't care who if anyone likes my sound, if I like it and I'm happy that's all that matters.

To say I'm reading something into nothing really has shocked me and angered me (did I strike a nerve perhaps, you did). When it comes to anything to do with my guitar sound I scrutinize (not f**king read into) everything. Including customer service, support, presentation and the accuracy of the presentation compared to the sound I get...get it?

Your response really pissed me off, you just said I should not be so critical, I'm reading something into everything...we've been hearing requests for demos all friggan fall. A while back here someone asked me for some examples of some chord sounds...I think it took me ten minutes...a company with testers and more time then me should have demos by now imo. To criticize me, or insult my scrutiny is absurd and I won't do business with a company that can't stand my scrutiny.

Please remember I made a lot of money in music retail...I use to let the customer play through the amp or play the guitar, keyboard, whatever...hell I would spend as much time as needed for the customer to base his opinion on and set it up what he needed. I didn't play for him and say "see that's how it sounds" (even if I did he knew it was honest and no other things have been done to alter the sound)...He might be better then me and he might not like how it sounds by my playing and make a bad judgement. On the other side of the coin I might play some things he doesn't or can't, if he leaves with the false impression he will be able to do those things now I just stepped in it big time....I would never judge his questions, attack his questions or put him down for his questions..I would do my best to make sure they got the answers they needed so they can get what's best for them...not just make a sale..I made customers not sales...trust me that works better.

That was a crappy response from someone I respect and believe is above that, I'm sorry that was just plain wrong of you to say (over active imagination in a world where scams are everyhwere...Im being realistic)...yes I'm going to look into everything, even my perceptions...any customer that doesn't is a complete fool...they are buying the product themselves afterall.

[A3ntar]

Guys, why all the anger? I see where the misunderstanding happend, and I honestly feel that it is an innocent mistake on both sides. When Squids said that they are finalizing the the demos, I kind of understood that what he meant is more like arranging them maybe mixing the guitar tracks with music, preparing the website to host the demos, etc... I didn't necessarly seen a "doctoring" of the sounds. But where I failed to see something, somebody else understoold something else. It is no big deal honestly....it is a simple misunderstanding.

The point I agree with is that we have been waiting for the demos for the whole fall, but, honestly, Squids shouldn't be blamed for any of this or feel repercussions from the fact that IKMM is half a year late. He honestly is putting time and effort in keeping us updated, and I don't think we could get this information from nobody else.

[Lunch Money]

Seriously. I respect all y'all, but Squids isn't out to harm anyone. Au contraire, you can practically sense how painful it is for him to try to pick the right diplomatic terms, keeping us informed without breaching a sense of duty to IK or eSoundz, and also trying his best not to piss us off.

Greg

[beergeek]

FWIW, I think the comment about reading things into everything was also directed at me...and like A3ntar, I'm pretty sure Squids didn't mean anything negative...you said it wasn't personal and he put a smilie after the comments you took offense to and has since removed them from his post...

C'mon...kiss and make-up

[Beardedone]

OK I have ordered mine!

[Sascha Franck]

FWIW, I never thought "finalizing" would mean to alter the clips in a sonic manner.
That'd be way too much of a cheap shot as people would instantly know they were cheated, once they got their hands on it.

[A_Gruesome_Discovery]

I don't see why anyone would get worked up about the samples anyway; they're just going to be hokey butt-rock tragedies like the flash demo, and maybe some sort of embarrasing stab at a "metal" song that will simply create a feeling similar to when your dad tries to talk "hip" in front of your friends. The real answer will come when a playable demo comes out. The samples will only raise further questions, not answer them.
...Just some simple riffs with no goofy backing tracks would be nice, though.

edit: Page 110! This is the furthest I've ever been from the Shire!

[Sascha Franck]

...Just some simple riffs with no goofy backing tracks would be nice, though.

Exactly. Preferably way dry, so you could even load them into your sequencer, line them up and see what it works like in a mix.