Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[~BURNY~]

Not everybody share your taste. However I do not hear anything that doesn't remind me a cold biased tube power stage, "brootal" or not.

[pitchdrifter]

Actually I prefer the sounds in these mp3 clips over preprocessed stuff that attempts to sound like on your favorite record (but fails at really getting there), but then I have a background in mixing and the pricinple of equing and compressing channels is not that foreign to me *hint hint* (excuse the sarcasm).
The whole 'cuts through the mix' advantage isn't really any advantage don't you think? If a sound needs to 'cut through', your mix is too crowded and needs fixing, possibly the arrangement, too.

No idea how AT2 will sound nor do I have a preference to any amp yet, I just find these to sound more like real amps than what I managed to get out of GTR2. Without a demo, fat chance I'll buy AT2, though. Also there's Rene's mysterious amp sim which sounds quite promising (and worlds better than GTR2, that is in the 'sounds like the real thing' category, which might not even be what GTR2 was designed to do).

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Markus

[Captain]

I know this might be a bit off-topic, but here goes anyway:

After having read (most of) this thread, and as someone who has always used mainly plugin guitar amps: Since so many here seem to know exactly what a good electric guitar sounds like, and what is wrong with plugin amps, could you give me any pointers to _good_ clips that use real amps & mics or Line6 stuff or whatever that for some reason sound so much better than all plugins?

Or better still, record a clip by yourself and post it here? So that, instead of listing everything that is wrong with the clip, you could just say "here's what it should sound like, period". Preferably more distorted stuff (since that seems to be the most difficult area), no other instruments, no post processing. I'd like to compare those clips to the AT2 demos, and try to hear the difference myself, rather than read all this stuff about "punchiness" and lack of it etc, words that really don't mean much by themselves.

Thanks!

[championrabbit]

but then I have a background in mixing and the principle of equing and compressing channels is not that foreign to me *hint hint* (excuse the sarcasm).

Way to miss the point Einstein (excuse the non-sarcasm).

What is the point of an amp-sim that's designed for use in mainstream (rock/pop/alternative) recordings having all the annoying traits of a real amp? As I already pointed out, it's not as if anybody wanting to commit a purist recording to tape is going to use AT, is it? Therefore, it's nonsense to imply that an amp-sim should need the same wart-removal that one would apply to a miked cab.

What's the point?

Since the whole thing is artificial anyway, there's no earthly reason to include a stack of low frequency energy that's only going to serve to rob you of signal once it's been HP filtered.

And compression on overdriven guitars tracks? This is a joke? No? Really?

Are you sure you understand this subject to the extent that you indicate?

The whole 'cuts through the mix' advantage isn't really any advantage don't you think? If a sound needs to 'cut through', your mix is too crowded and needs fixing, possibly the arrangement, too.

Again you seem to have missed the point.

In this context, 'cuts through the mix' serves to describe a signal which in the most-part is strong in the frequency-range that the instrument it represents also is strong in.

I'll explain for you (so as to avoid confusion): if you bought some samples of kick-drums that predominantly occupied the 15-18 kHz region, then you might find that your kick-drum samples didn't 'cut through the mix' since they would clash with other instruments more traditionally occupying this area.

Similarly, if you record a guitar track that holds it's energy in the sub-200Hz region, then you'll find that it will be hard to make the guitar 'cut through the mix'.

Sure, you might be able to do some heavy-handed EQing, but your SNR will be seriously compromised.

See?

Not too complicated really, is it?

[putte]

.. good post, captain!

[championrabbit]

could you give me any pointers to _good_ clips that use real amps & mics or Line6 stuff or whatever that for some reason sound so much better than all plugins?

Two things.

1. I absolutely agree with you about the common (and nonsensical in my opinion) implication that 'good' guitar sounds are so established as to be identifiable in an objective way. I believe that a 'good' guitar sound is one that a, sounds like the guy playing the guitar wants it to sound and b works in the context of the band/mix/song.

2. There are I think some things that relate specifically to amp sims that are open to objective judgments. The most obvious being the frequency ranges most strongly represented by the amp-sim, and the dynamic range offered in relation to clean-to-overdriven sounds.

I think it is totally valid to separate the purely subjective 'what sounds good' arguments from the fairly objective 'what is usable on tape' arguments.

Cheers!

[Vervil]

I know this might be a bit off-topic, but here goes anyway:

After having read (most of) this thread, and as someone who has always used mainly plugin guitar amps: Since so many here seem to know exactly what a good electric guitar sounds like, and what is wrong with plugin amps, could you give me any pointers to _good_ clips that use real amps & mics or Line6 stuff or whatever that for some reason sound so much better than all plugins?

Or better still, record a clip by yourself and post it here? So that, instead of listing everything that is wrong with the clip, you could just say "here's what it should sound like, period". Preferably more distorted stuff (since that seems to be the most difficult area), no other instruments, no post processing. I'd like to compare those clips to the AT2 demos, and try to hear the difference myself, rather than read all this stuff about "punchiness" and lack of it etc, words that really don't mean much by themselves.

Thanks!

On the thread for Midiworks you can hear short clip with his xmas plugin, that to me untouched with any post EQ sounds much more natural than AT2 clips, at least for me and some other people.

If you want to hear a great number of clips that are miced amps (I personaly cant mic amp here and on my site, most of the short clips is Line6 gear, and clip that use real amp is video and 27 mb big), go to http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/foru ... .php?f=151

This is Ultimate metal forum, subforum of producer Andy Sneap. You can find a lot of clips there posted by people, recorded at home with amps, computers and simple sm57, just do simple search for "5150" or go thru threads, looking for posted sound clips.

As far as "Cut thru the Mix" thing goes, you got it completely wrong, it is not about EQ-ing, it is about "density" of sound compared to simulator. Guitar recorded with real amp is more "present", more "alive" and easier to sit in mix because even at low levels it is still there, while any kind of sim including line6 stuff simply tends to dissapear.

[Midiworks]

Guitar recorded with real amp is more "present", more "alive" and easier to sit in mix because even at low levels it is still there, while any kind of sim including line6 stuff simply tends to dissapear.

[grandaddy]

This whole amp sim thing is weird and highly subjective. A good example are the reviews of the original guitar rig at harmony central...experienced guitarists and engineers gave this plugin 10/10 for sound whilst others gave 2/10 etc.

I posted a crappy mp3 of NI GR2, waves GTR and my marshall valve combo at the nuendo forums and asked people to name which was which... I think it is more difficult than you may think. (I do reallize the it's not a great example)

http://mule.my-bulldog.com/pages/mule_m ... mptest.mp3

I like the AT2 samples, but then I also think midiworks xmas tube sounds excellent - the distortion sounding real even if it sounds a tiny bit lo-fi. Guess I'm easily pleased.

Here are some real amps for anyone hasn't seen this site

http://www.proguitar.de/AudioDemo/Compa ... eAmps.html

[championrabbit]

Here are some real amps for anyone hasn't seen this site

http://www.proguitar.de/AudioDemo/Compa ... eAmps.html

Bad recordings of horrible music.

[Midiworks]

I posted a crappy mp3 of NI GR2, waves GTR and my marshall valve combo at the nuendo forums and asked people to name which was which... I think it is more difficult than you may think. (I do reallize the it's not a great example)

http://mule.my-bulldog.com/pages/mule_m ... mptest.mp3

Order is GR2, Marshall, GTR
Right ?

[Vervil]

Guitar recorded with real amp is more "present", more "alive" and easier to sit in mix because even at low levels it is still there, while any kind of sim including line6 stuff simply tends to dissapear.

It seems that your ampsim will be much less prone to dissapear, so no reason to cry

[grandaddy]

championrabbit - they are real amps nonetheless

midiworks - I should keep the guessing going but I won't - the order is Marshall, GR2, GTR. Good of you to post though because it's not a great example and demonstrates you're brave and have an open mind. I can't wait for the proper release of your plug - the xmas demo is a great present.

[championrabbit]

championrabbit - they are real amps nonetheless

No.

They are (bad) recordings of real amps.

[grandaddy]

semantics