Ivory!!!
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- KVRian
- 1116 posts since 22 Apr, 2005 from Nashville, TN USA
I agree. TBO is just probably way to big (number of velocity layers).PhilAiken wrote:I can't imagine TBO working well on Receptor at a decent latency. Might be OK for sequencing at higher sample buffers, but not for real-time playing.
I downloaded the "smaller" version of TBO (TSO - the small one) which is 2+ GB with 8 velocity layers.
http://www.sampletekk.com/products.php?cat=36
I must say, I am VERY impressed with it. I believe it is the best piano I own, and I have many. I cannot compare it to Ivory though, since I don't have Ivory. TSO has a warm and FAT sound, pretty dry, close miked. It get's appropriately brighter at high velocities, without sounding brittle or artificial like many do.
TSO works fairly well on Receptor under Kontakt2. Better than PMI Bosendorfer (well it has 1/2 the velocity layers so that makes sense...actually it's probably the same if you compare it do the 8 layer bosen, but I don't like the sound of that one). As long as you don't play like Sergei Rachmaninov DFD seems to keep up pretty well. In general, I'm not real thrilled with DFD on Receptor at this point, though Kontakt2 seems better than Kompakt or any of the Kompakt-based players (like East/West Collosus and Bosendorfer).
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- MUSEician
- 682 posts since 20 Aug, 2004 from California
The demos sound great. Does anybody know what is this piece?
http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/tbo/TBO1.mp3
http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/tbo/TBO1.mp3
Dan Timis
Software Developer
Muse Research, Inc.
Software Developer
Muse Research, Inc.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 387 posts since 24 Aug, 2004
I don't have TBO or TSO, but I do have other offerings from Sampletekk (White Grand, Steiny D, Vertikal)
In general, these (and from what I hear, the two in question) are recorded closer and drier than the PMI pianos you mention (both of which I have as well). This tends to make them more suitable for live use, at least for me. Also, the Sampletekk offerings just "feel" better and respond to playing in a more natural way to me. All that said, Old Lady sounds very nice indeed, and I was able to customize it
with Kompakt II to make it even better for my use.
In general, these (and from what I hear, the two in question) are recorded closer and drier than the PMI pianos you mention (both of which I have as well). This tends to make them more suitable for live use, at least for me. Also, the Sampletekk offerings just "feel" better and respond to playing in a more natural way to me. All that said, Old Lady sounds very nice indeed, and I was able to customize it
with Kompakt II to make it even better for my use.
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- KVRian
- 1116 posts since 22 Apr, 2005 from Nashville, TN USA
I don't have either of those but I do have the PMI "Grandioso Bundle" (Bosen, Steinway D, Yamaha C7) and I think I like TSO better than them all.DanTimis wrote:How does TBO (or TSO) compare with The Old Lady or The Emperor?
Steiny D Close is another good one, and it works quite well on Receptor/Kompakt2.
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- KVRian
- 1116 posts since 22 Apr, 2005 from Nashville, TN USA
No clue! I might "guess" that it's by Alberto Ginastera. It started out sounding a little like something from "Pictures at an Exhibition"(Mussorgsky), but then it got all "20th century".DanTimis wrote:The demos sound great. Does anybody know what is this piece?
http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/tbo/TBO1.mp3
Could be an original (seems like there ought to be a "credit" on the site but there isn't). Some of it (the quieter part at the beginning) sounded a LOT like a Keith Emerson soundtrack to an Italian horror film called "Inferno".
Wonder if that middle part was played in real-time?
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- MUSEician
- 682 posts since 20 Aug, 2004 from California
I doubt. It is so well crafted that it has to be by a master (like Ginastera).Hybernation wrote:Could be an original (seems like there ought to be a "credit" on the site but there isn't).
I was asking myself the same question.Hybernation wrote:Wonder if that middle part was played in real-time?
Dan Timis
Software Developer
Muse Research, Inc.
Software Developer
Muse Research, Inc.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 26 Dec, 2005
I'm running Ivory on a new imac G5, with a motu 828mkII under Digital Performer.
At a buffer setting of 128 at either44.1 or 48, the latency is perceptable to me, but not so great that I can't use it , even enjoy it. And it sounds unbelievable, very expressive! Another buffer /sample rate combo that works about the same for me is 256 at 88.2.
My problem is that Ivory swallows the Imac G5 processor whole at these settings. So I can't play back more than a couple tracks, or open any other plugs without it choking. Is there any more recent news about Ivory/Receptor bug fixes? What latency can I expect? If I get a Muse I'd like to do it in the next couple of days for tax purposes. Thanks, Christopher Hoffman
Musical Director
The Scintas -Las Vegas
At a buffer setting of 128 at either44.1 or 48, the latency is perceptable to me, but not so great that I can't use it , even enjoy it. And it sounds unbelievable, very expressive! Another buffer /sample rate combo that works about the same for me is 256 at 88.2.
My problem is that Ivory swallows the Imac G5 processor whole at these settings. So I can't play back more than a couple tracks, or open any other plugs without it choking. Is there any more recent news about Ivory/Receptor bug fixes? What latency can I expect? If I get a Muse I'd like to do it in the next couple of days for tax purposes. Thanks, Christopher Hoffman
Musical Director
The Scintas -Las Vegas
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- MUSEician
- 682 posts since 20 Aug, 2004 from California
There is one last technical hurdle. Unfortunately, this problem can be resolved only by going back and forth between Muse and Synthogy, so it is very, very hard to predict when we will be able to release it.
What I can say right now is that Ivory is very easy on the Receptor CPU. We were able to run it with buffer sizes of 64 and even 32 samples. However, at these buffer sizes if you hit lots of keys at the same time with your forearms (almost the entire keyboard) it will overload the CPU and produce lots of cracks. the same can happen with big chords and holding down the sustain pedal. But, you can play lighter stuff.
With 128 sample buffers you can play anything humanly possible. It feels very responsive to me. Other people also say that Receptor is very responsive at 128 samples, but a little less responsive at 256 samples. If you need the tax break for 2005 and you can wait a few weeks for Ivory to be released, you could buy the Receptor now.
What I can say right now is that Ivory is very easy on the Receptor CPU. We were able to run it with buffer sizes of 64 and even 32 samples. However, at these buffer sizes if you hit lots of keys at the same time with your forearms (almost the entire keyboard) it will overload the CPU and produce lots of cracks. the same can happen with big chords and holding down the sustain pedal. But, you can play lighter stuff.
With 128 sample buffers you can play anything humanly possible. It feels very responsive to me. Other people also say that Receptor is very responsive at 128 samples, but a little less responsive at 256 samples. If you need the tax break for 2005 and you can wait a few weeks for Ivory to be released, you could buy the Receptor now.
Dan Timis
Software Developer
Muse Research, Inc.
Software Developer
Muse Research, Inc.
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 8 Jun, 2005
Hi Dan,
Beside CPU performance, there is also disk streaming to consider. How well does the disk streaming work with Ivory and Receptor? Are you getting any "Slow Disk" messages? I get those on a PowerMac G5 Quad Can you have external disks on the Receptor and is there any plans for Raid? Thanks, -Vincent
Beside CPU performance, there is also disk streaming to consider. How well does the disk streaming work with Ivory and Receptor? Are you getting any "Slow Disk" messages? I get those on a PowerMac G5 Quad Can you have external disks on the Receptor and is there any plans for Raid? Thanks, -Vincent
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- MUSEician
- 682 posts since 20 Aug, 2004 from California
We did not get any "Slow Disk" messages from Ivory, so far. You can connect a USB 2.0 external disk, but it is not recommended for streaming. We do not have any immediate plans for RAID.
Dan Timis
Software Developer
Muse Research, Inc.
Software Developer
Muse Research, Inc.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 387 posts since 24 Aug, 2004
With 128 sample buffers you can play anything humanly possible. It feels very responsive to me. Other people also say that Receptor is very responsive at 128 samples, but a little less responsive at 256 samples. If you need the tax break for 2005 and you can wait a few weeks for Ivory to be released, you could buy the Receptor now.[/quote]
Wow.
Can't wait.
128 sample buffers feels comparable to a hardware digital piano to me. Maybe
ever so slightly slower, but not much. If I listen to the output of my digital piano in tandem with Receptors output via midi it's hard to hear one coming before the other. One of these days I will record them both and measure.
256 on the other hand, does feel sluggish for real time piano.
The only way I can play anything humanly possible on piano with Kontakt/Kompakt is to not use DFD. I can use it if I am careful - and Kontakt works better than Kompakt, but I can almost always crash with DFD if I try to.
Wow.
Can't wait.
128 sample buffers feels comparable to a hardware digital piano to me. Maybe
ever so slightly slower, but not much. If I listen to the output of my digital piano in tandem with Receptors output via midi it's hard to hear one coming before the other. One of these days I will record them both and measure.
256 on the other hand, does feel sluggish for real time piano.
The only way I can play anything humanly possible on piano with Kontakt/Kompakt is to not use DFD. I can use it if I am careful - and Kontakt works better than Kompakt, but I can almost always crash with DFD if I try to.