MXR Phase 90 VST

[Hink]

And for everybody else, what is the point of worrying about a Phase 90 plug if it's placed before an amp-sim?

The entire set-up is 'virtual' anyway, so what is the point of this type of discussion?

A 'virtual' Phase 90 placed before a 'virtual' Jazz Chorus? It ain't gonna sound like the real thing.

Worry about what sounds 'good', not what sounds 'real'.

nostalgia CR, it seems everything was better back in the day, when in fact it really wasn't. Sometimes it's nice to have the flashback, but as you get older you quickly realise that you can never go back to the way things are. Life is full circle, but it's a oneway trip.

However sometimes I go out and spend 30 cents more on a 10oz bottle of coca-cola like we had back in the day (real glass) it tastes much better too me...of course it's the same cola that's in the plastic bottle, but the memory of simpler times does ones soul good...

[championrabbit]

And for everybody else, what is the point of worrying about a Phase 90 plug if it's placed before an amp-sim?

The entire set-up is 'virtual' anyway, so what is the point of this type of discussion?

A 'virtual' Phase 90 placed before a 'virtual' Jazz Chorus? It ain't gonna sound like the real thing.

Worry about what sounds 'good', not what sounds 'real'.

nostalgia CR, it seems everything was better back in the day, when in fact it really wasn't. Sometimes it's nice to have the flashback, but as you get older you quickly realise that you can never go back to the way things are. Life is full circle, but it's a oneway trip.

However sometimes I go out and spend 30 cents more on a 10oz bottle of coca-cola like we had back in the day (real glass) it tastes much better too me...of course it's the same cola that's in the plastic bottle, but the memory of simpler times does ones soul good...

What...huh?

[Hink]

And for everybody else, what is the point of worrying about a Phase 90 plug if it's placed before an amp-sim?

The entire set-up is 'virtual' anyway, so what is the point of this type of discussion?

A 'virtual' Phase 90 placed before a 'virtual' Jazz Chorus? It ain't gonna sound like the real thing.

Worry about what sounds 'good', not what sounds 'real'.

nostalgia CR, it seems everything was better back in the day, when in fact it really wasn't. Sometimes it's nice to have the flashback, but as you get older you quickly realise that you can never go back to the way things are. Life is full circle, but it's a oneway trip.

However sometimes I go out and spend 30 cents more on a 10oz bottle of coca-cola like we had back in the day (real glass) it tastes much better too me...of course it's the same cola that's in the plastic bottle, but the memory of simpler times does ones soul good...

What...huh?

I'm just trying to explain why sounding like the original is important to some, even if it doesn't...

[Aural Chaos]

You are that sure they never changed the recipe??

[HighEndWare]

Play us some sax Tony Ostinato.

[diverdee]

Pay us for sex Tony Ostinato.

ooh young man


j/k

[lex_strooder]

So, now I join the legions of other KVR-ers to say: If you don't have something helpful to post, then why don't you go look for a thread where your contributions will be appreciated.

I fully agree... lately there are to many of those "just use your ears" or "if its sounds good...".
Folks it doesnt help, sometimes one finds a sweet spot of a gear and would like to have a VST/AU/RTAS/MAS version with the same artifacts...

lX

[Hink]

So, now I join the legions of other KVR-ers to say: If you don't have something helpful to post, then why don't you go look for a thread where your contributions will be appreciated.

I fully agree... lately there are to many of those "just use your ears" or "if its sounds good...".
Folks it doesnt help, sometimes one finds a sweet spot of a gear and would like to have a VST/AU/RTAS/MAS version with the same artifacts...

lX

good point, but some people also grow and what they used 25 years ago doesn't cut it today...like say a plexi. I had my plexi for years, but there are better sounding amps today...why would I compromise my sound for what I liked before when something is better today? But then again I don't buy names, I buy benefits...[/i]

[Squids]

I downloaded it and will check myself. I am a big fan of MXR pedals. IK modeled mine for AmpliTube 2. You know, I could be mistaken but I think the original vintage Phase 90s sound different than the new ones you can get. I am not 100% sure on it because I don't have a new one to compare but I remember comparing a while ago (or hearing someone's new one and it not sounding quite as good... but it could have been another reissue pedal). Anyway, IK modeled my vintage MXR Phasers.

This link has a cool Taurus emulation as well. I used to have both Taurus 1 and 2. I know the sound very well so it should be interesting! I wish I had more time to play with these. A Mutron Bi-Phase would be nice. I have the UAD but never use Nigel. Maybe I will check and see how close that is to the old Mutron. Could be a nice surprise perhaps. I don't have my hopes up though. I think you'd have to more than casually model that one and if they did I don't see why they wouldn't make a special plug-in that was JUST the Bi-Phase (like they did with the Roland chorus). But, I have an open mind (and a love for phasers).

A good hardware collection is not bad to have either if you can find them. The Electro Harmonix Small Stone and Bad Stone are great, D'Armond Phaser is killer, Mutrons and I used to even have a TC phaser pedal, Roland Jet Phaser too. Long live PHASERS!!!!

[Hink]

I still want to know if anyone remembers the maestro phase shifter

[jplanet]

I generally agree with some of the views expressed here...I don't care how accurate B4, Minimonsta or Modular V really are, I just know that when I play them I feel like Keith Emerson possessed by demons!

I think that the script logo phase 90 is a big exception for me. Any delay will do, there are plenty of chorus vst's that sound even better than any pedal I ever owned, and while everyone was busy whining about Guitar Rig's inadequacies, I was growing inch-thick calluses on my fingers because I enjoyed playing it for many hours on end.

But the original Phase 90 was really something special. It's part of the magic of albums like Van Halen I, Physical Graffitti, etc. When I bought a new MXR reissue, it didn't sound anything like it. At all. Then I heard someone using it at a gig, I knew it was the real thing, and I was right! It was unmistakable.

So then, you ask, if I know the sound of a phase 90 so well, why would I ask about it here at KVR? Well, because I respect the knowledge of people here, and maybe someone will say, for example, "hey, try the Nomad, I get that same vibe from it when I use this setting".

I find that in VST's it matters less if it matches the original in a spectrum analyzer, it's a different platform, there are other factors to consider. Some instruments do a fantastic job of getting the feel of the original, even if it isn't a perfect match.

[AndrewSimon]

When the past will start to feel more important then the future.... you can safely say "yes I am old".
AndrewSimon

No offence Hink, I am probably older then you.

Now seriously, you can't argue with nostalgia but did you ever stumbled on something that you haven't seen in a while, and you remembered it to be so great but now it seems total shit?

What is the difference?
You haven't seen it in a while so you can be more objective.

[Hink]

When the past will start to feel more important then the future.... you can safely say "yes I am old".
AndrewSimon

No offence Hink, I am probably older then you.

Now seriously, you can't argue with nostalgia but did you ever stumbled on something that you haven't seen in a while, and you remembered it as so great but now it seems total shit?

What is the difference?
You haven't seen it in a while so you can be more objective.

Andrew you missed my point, I'm not arguing with nostalgia...like I said, sometimes I get an old style coca-cola for nostalgic purposes only...but isn't nostalgia for visiting, not residing?

btw I was born in 59...

edit: I just realized I areed with you...

[Sickle]

Anyone who wouldn't drool over owning one of these is out of their minds..



No nostalgia about it, some of the old shit still rules.

[jplanet]

I downloaded it and will check myself. I am a big fan of MXR pedals. IK modeled mine for AmpliTube 2. You know, I could be mistaken but I think the original vintage Phase 90s sound different than the new ones you can get. I am not 100% sure on it because I don't have a new one to compare but I remember comparing a while ago (or hearing someone's new one and it not sounding quite as good... but it could have been another reissue pedal). Anyway, IK modeled my vintage MXR Phasers.

This link has a cool Taurus emulation as well. I used to have both Taurus 1 and 2. I know the sound very well so it should be interesting! I wish I had more time to play with these. A Mutron Bi-Phase would be nice. I have the UAD but never use Nigel. Maybe I will check and see how close that is to the old Mutron. Could be a nice surprise perhaps. I don't have my hopes up though. I think you'd have to more than casually model that one and if they did I don't see why they wouldn't make a special plug-in that was JUST the Bi-Phase (like they did with the Roland chorus). But, I have an open mind (and a love for phasers).

A good hardware collection is not bad to have either if you can find them. The Electro Harmonix Small Stone and Bad Stone are great, D'Armond Phaser is killer, Mutrons and I used to even have a TC phaser pedal, Roland Jet Phaser too. Long live PHASERS!!!!

Hey, thanks for the posts, Squids, let me know what you think of it.

I used to have the TC phaser pedal, and it was incredible! I got frustrated with it at some point because it had a few glitches that nobody knew how to fix, so I traded it for that new (and disappointing) Phase 90.