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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 23 Jul, 2001 from Jersey Is Where America's At
You can get feedback on the older Guitarport if your monitors are loud enough, so I'd assume yeah it should be possible on the toneport as well.
I'm sorry this post wasn't about techno.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I've said this before, but what the heck:
You get this kind of feedback because the waveforms coming out of the speakers physically move the strings on your guitar. When the energy coming out of the speakers is sufficient to keep your strings moving perpetually (or to start them up from being completely muted!) you have a feedback loop.
You can do this with any sim or even no sim at all. The "quality" of the amp sim (AT2 vs. GuitarPort or whatever) has virtually nothing to do with whether you will feed back or not. Sure, it'll affect the tone of the feedback (though, usually you'll get something sounding more or less like a sine wave!), and different settings on your sim will have different resonant peaks, which will determine which frequencies feed back more easily; however, at the end of the day the sim itself is secondary to the raw physics of a sound wave moving a set of strings.
I was mucking around the other day, and I can't even remember what amp sim I was using. My wee little PC speakers were at low volume, and I hit a not to sustain it. As I was waiting for it to decay, I realized that I was feeding back, so I just mucked around a bit. It wasn't due to the amp sim, though, it was due to sitting at the right spot, facing the right way, and having the right note fretted for the tone I was using.
It should be mentioned that you need to be operating off an isolated guitar signal for maximum result. Those of you who are trying to do it with your full song mix (if there are any) are only going to feed back in a musical way with a bit of luck. Hendrix stood in front of his own guitar cab to do it, he didn't stand in front of stage monitors with a full band mix coming through!
I use GreenMachine Amp II and TonePort, so it was probably one of those when I was feeding back at low volume, though it may have been the SoundSpectral demo that I was trying out.
Incidentally--
If you want to make yourself a 'sustainer', you just need a small speaker (a discarded set of headphones would do it!) and a makeshift way of keeping it pointed at and anchored over your strings. Isolate your guitar signal from the rest of the track and feed it through the headphone/speaker signal at a reasonable volume. Sustainer! Some people have even mounted them so that they're beneath the guitar strings, though that would by my personal first choice.
Greg
You get this kind of feedback because the waveforms coming out of the speakers physically move the strings on your guitar. When the energy coming out of the speakers is sufficient to keep your strings moving perpetually (or to start them up from being completely muted!) you have a feedback loop.
You can do this with any sim or even no sim at all. The "quality" of the amp sim (AT2 vs. GuitarPort or whatever) has virtually nothing to do with whether you will feed back or not. Sure, it'll affect the tone of the feedback (though, usually you'll get something sounding more or less like a sine wave!), and different settings on your sim will have different resonant peaks, which will determine which frequencies feed back more easily; however, at the end of the day the sim itself is secondary to the raw physics of a sound wave moving a set of strings.
I was mucking around the other day, and I can't even remember what amp sim I was using. My wee little PC speakers were at low volume, and I hit a not to sustain it. As I was waiting for it to decay, I realized that I was feeding back, so I just mucked around a bit. It wasn't due to the amp sim, though, it was due to sitting at the right spot, facing the right way, and having the right note fretted for the tone I was using.
It should be mentioned that you need to be operating off an isolated guitar signal for maximum result. Those of you who are trying to do it with your full song mix (if there are any) are only going to feed back in a musical way with a bit of luck. Hendrix stood in front of his own guitar cab to do it, he didn't stand in front of stage monitors with a full band mix coming through!
I use GreenMachine Amp II and TonePort, so it was probably one of those when I was feeding back at low volume, though it may have been the SoundSpectral demo that I was trying out.
Incidentally--
If you want to make yourself a 'sustainer', you just need a small speaker (a discarded set of headphones would do it!) and a makeshift way of keeping it pointed at and anchored over your strings. Isolate your guitar signal from the rest of the track and feed it through the headphone/speaker signal at a reasonable volume. Sustainer! Some people have even mounted them so that they're beneath the guitar strings, though that would by my personal first choice.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
Another factor is the resonant frequency of the guitar wood and its construction. A thin maple bodied guitar has a different sweet spot note and feeds back differently from say the same guitar in mahogany.Lunch Money wrote: I was mucking around the other day, and I can't even remember what amp sim I was using. My wee little PC speakers were at low volume, and I hit a not to sustain it. As I was waiting for it to decay, I realized that I was feeding back, so I just mucked around a bit. It wasn't due to the amp sim, though, it was due to sitting at the right spot, facing the right way, and having the right note fretted for the tone I was using.
Also, the same guitar body feeds back diffently when it has a maple or rosewood or ebony neck fingerboard
Some players also put tape on the stage to mark where they need to stand in relation to their amp to get the desired feedback.
With all the factors involved in reproducing a convincing guitar performance, it's really a wonder that guitar samples/vsti s do as well as they do!
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
you describe the sweet spot...everywhere including when in the studio I seek out (by drifting around) the sweet spot...but it's more then just about feedback, but where everything comes together best for me...however I never needed to put tape there...it's like sex...when I'm in the sweet spot I know it...Improv wrote:Another factor is the resonant frequency of the guitar wood and its construction. A thin maple bodied guitar has a different sweet spot note and feeds back differently from say the same guitar in mahogany.Lunch Money wrote: I was mucking around the other day, and I can't even remember what amp sim I was using. My wee little PC speakers were at low volume, and I hit a not to sustain it. As I was waiting for it to decay, I realized that I was feeding back, so I just mucked around a bit. It wasn't due to the amp sim, though, it was due to sitting at the right spot, facing the right way, and having the right note fretted for the tone I was using.
Also, the same guitar body feeds back diffently when it has a maple or rosewood or ebony neck fingerboard
Some players also put tape on the stage to mark where they need to stand in relation to their amp to get the desired feedback.
With all the factors involved in reproducing a convincing guitar performance, it's really a wonder that guitar samples/vsti s do as well as they do!
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Yup, I agree. I personally feel that the resonant properties of the wood and neck have less to do with it overall (the strings vibrate a lot more easily than a big hunk of mahogany!) but the wood is definitely a factor.
Greg
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
Of course it is, I merely mentioned feedback in relation to what LM had said. Sweet Spot, In the Groove, In the Pocket-same stuff!Hink wrote: but it's more then just about feedback, but where everything comes together best for me...
It's when everything is working the way you want it.however I never needed to put tape there...it's like sex...when I'm in the sweet spot I know it...
I tried that tape thing once, but boy, did she get MAD!!!
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
It's everything-a whole envoironmental feedback loop where everything affects everything-speakers, strings, wood, room, the mood you're in, etc,etc, ad infinitum...Lunch Money wrote:Yup, I agree. I personally feel that the resonant properties of the wood and neck have less to do with it overall (the strings vibrate a lot more easily than a big hunk of mahogany!) but the wood is definitely a factor.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
yeah lunch i knew it could be done, i was just wondering about the tone ゆうｇｄ
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- KVRAF
- 9064 posts since 1 Aug, 2003
I think AT2 and Guitar Rig are overpriced. If line6 TonePort did digital reamping, I'd go for that instead, no doubt about it. Now it seems I'll have to wait for Komplete4...
I wonder, do IKM and NI forget there's still hardware competition, offering much more bang for the buck? You can even sell it on without having to pay a transfer fee!
I wonder, do IKM and NI forget there's still hardware competition, offering much more bang for the buck? You can even sell it on without having to pay a transfer fee!
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Improv: I highly doubt that the mood you're in will affect the resonance of your strings. But yeah, of course environment counts. Reflections being in phase with each other at certain spots, the whole shebang. But at the very core of it all is still only one thing: waveforms hitting your strings. The rest just determine how easily this core event happens. And if you put yourself in a situation in which one factor becomes the dominant one (ie. standing close enough to your speakers that their direct waves will be the dominant factor) the rest become distant secondary and tertiary conditions.
Greg
But yeah, of course environment counts. Reflections being in phase with each other at certain spots, the whole shebang. But at the very core of it all is still only one thing: waveforms hitting your strings. The rest just determine how easily this core event happens. And if you put yourself in a situation in which one factor becomes the dominant one (ie. standing close enough to your speakers that their direct waves will be the dominant factor) the rest become distant secondary and tertiary conditions.Greg
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
It will contribute in large measure to what you play and how it sounds, and your sound in the end is what counts, however you get it. Which is what I was getting at.Lunch Money wrote:Improv: I highly doubt that the mood you're in will affect the resonance of your strings.
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
i actually prefer hardware amp modellers. my VOX kicks ass 
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
Your cow doesn't like your donkey?Chibs' Bath Toy wrote: my OX kicks ass
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 2054 posts since 3 Jun, 2001 from Not far from Australia
i actually prefer hardware amp modellers. my VOX kicks ass,
he wrote...
http://www.voxamps.co.uk/products/valve ... erview.htm
he wrote...
http://www.voxamps.co.uk/products/valve ... erview.htm
DSP with attitude
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- KVRian
- 1442 posts since 30 May, 2005
Oh really, Rene???Midiworks wrote:i actually prefer hardware amp modellers. my VOX kicks ass,
he wrote...
http://www.voxamps.co.uk/products/valve ... erview.htm
You prefer hardware amp modellers?
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