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chrishurley · Post by **chrishurley** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:01 am

heeb wrote: More than 25 years, to be exact.

heh...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:32 am

tubes react physically to far too many varibles to be 100% emulated tey...not that 100% emulation should be the goal...

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:04 am

Trent Reznor is prolly full of shit and inconsistent in his stories anyhow, but the article I saw made it pretty clear that he was using a POD. Actually, you can go to the Line6 website and they have Trent Reznor listed as an endorser:

http://line6.com/artists/238

That's for the Vetta II, but I know the article I saw had to do with the POD, and it was for the album, not live reinforcement.

Regarding the variables in tubes-- you could program an emulation to react to more stimuli than a tube.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:12 am

Regarding the variables in tubes-- you could program an emulation to react to more stimuli than a tube.

to an extent perhaps...but I do not believe perfect tube emulation is possible...however it really doesn't matter because I'm sure that emulation that we can actually here can be....but still there be those few who will always be able to tell....

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:57 am

Tubes are overrated.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:01 am

Lunch Money wrote:Tubes are overrated.

and some are underated, which is the problem...tbh when I relace my marshall tube pre-amp it will be with a psa 1...I'm just waiting for it to die...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:02 am

one thing though, I run an aurel exciter 'tween the pre and power amp.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:59 am

I'm just buggin' anyhow.

I'd love a nice classic tube amp. Instead, I have a "classic" (vintage Garnet) with a homebrewed cab, plus a (yuk) Marshall MG30. The Marshall's emulated distortion is entirely inorganic sounding.

I'll take something clean, though... Blues Jr. seems to get good reviews.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:43 am

I used to use an old big tube radio with TAB button, as my first guitar amp.

Something like this:

Doesnt look "that" different inside eh !?

Guess what...
It sounded great.
Much, much better than my first real 20 watt japanese transistor amp.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:59 pm

4 hours untill 2006

I still get quite a few requests for

XmasTube

So I decided to give you another chance to grab it,
for the next 8 hours.

Here you go again.

http://www.soundspectral.com/updXXd/XmasTube.zip

Now rock the happy new year !

Have fun !

Rene

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:04 pm

Woah, lots of activity in this thread.
And I haven't even find the time to try the Xmas Amp yet... will do so the next days.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:09 pm

Midiworks wrote:I used to use an old big tube radio with TAB button, as my first guitar amp.

Something like this:

Doesnt look "that" different inside eh !?

Guess what...
It sounded great.
Much, much better than my first real 20 watt japanese transistor amp.

That looks a lot my first amp, we uswed an old ham radio amp...but it never had the knobs, just the shafts, and a speaker probably older than anyone here (circa mid30's...

GreyLion · Post by **GreyLion** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:27 pm

Thanks, Rene!! I'm a guitarist and I've been following this thread. This thing sounds so good in the demos. I was sooooooooooooo sad that I missed out the first time.

But I'm happy now!

Will get a chance to try it out tomorrow after I've recovered a bit from the celebrations. Happy New Year!

Take care,

GreyLion

Vervil · Post by **Vervil** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:29 pm

heeb wrote:I was talking about some time in the future, where a digital amp will be totally able to exactly mimic any tube amp; when there will be no perceivable difference in speaker movement between the two; and hence there will be no audible difference, simply because perceivably, there will be none. Give me one reason why there would have to exist such a difference. Just because tubes possess some "magic" property or properties?

And yes, I do have years of experience in playing electric guitar through real amps. More than 25 years, to be exact.

I have asked because it is really strange that someone into music for a longer time can have such a view. Seems to me like people don't see big picture sometimes. Simultion and imitation COMES AFTER, that simple. It can't lead. It is bogus. Same as "Popular alternative band making it big" There is no such a thing, if you are selling a lot of records, you are not alternative anymore, you are mainstream. If you are making ampsim that is leading, that is tool for making new, interesting never heard before sounds, than it is not ampsim anymore, it is guitar processor.

Amps are not perfect and not predictable, but that is a beauty of it, and I don't want it to change. I even like fact that guitar sound on the same amp and with same guitar is not the same every night. Why would anyone like perfection? I look at simulations and technological advance generaly as something that can make my life easier, and that is ok. From your previous post, it looks like you don't care sp much about way result is achieved, but more about end result, so if digital gives you something sounding good, then it is ok. Well I think it is other way round: being able to do things easy makes things more generic and more look alike. I have noticed that one of the things people complain is that they are not able to reamp with pod... Wtf? I mean, when I was beginning as a kid it would be rediculous if guitar player would come in studio and not be sure about his tone... "Lets do all guitar DI, I mean, I don't know...I must check that later"
Then what? Drummer will choose his samples to replace drums later, Bass player will go DI so it can fix his tone later... We will record midi, so we can change synths later.
Where is a risk, unpredictability, musical courage? I don't want to fix things later, I want to record guitars as best I can, and I don't want to do it fast. One famous producer said that he intentionaly avoids key shortcuts in programs because he does not wants to do it fast... He wants to be able to think about every aspect of it, it is about the music not about fast editing. I am afraid that all this sim and software thing can kill roots of creative process and is somehow mind numbing. It can be used in a creative way, but I mean, every other home made metal track in last year has the similar Drumkit From Hell sound, and same POD presets, for instance.

dimitar · Post by **dimitar** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:36 pm

Vervil wrote: Where is a risk, unpredictability, musical courage? I don't want to fix things later, I want to record guitars as best I can, and I don't want to do it fast.

I mean, every other home made metal track in last year has the similar Drumkit From Hell sound, and same POD presets, for instance.

Happy New Year!

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