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tq · Post by tq » Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:27 am

O.k., I hope nobody flames me for this, but: I like the AT2 demos very much. In contrast to other demos, IK obviously has the balls to give us naked and raw examples of what their effect does or doesn't. I find this much more helpful than the usual demos with drums, synths and whatever playing along and hiding the sound of the thing. And I think that the amp sounds are very good. You can also hear the dynamic response of the amps in several demos (about 40 pages ago, somebody said it's not in AT2 - obviously, it is now). Basically, I am looking forward to this (although I have to admit that their marketing sucks...).

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:14 pm

@tq
Why dont you head over there:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 30#1575330

then see, read and hear what "balls" mean.

Happy new year !

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:18 pm

I got the 30watt Valvetronix. Small enough to carry around, but beefy enough to do some gigs with ... if I ever get a farkin' band together!!

tq · Post by tq » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:38 pm

Midiworks wrote:@tq
Why dont you head over there:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 30#1575330

then see, read and hear what "balls" mean.

Happy new year !

If you port your creation to Mac AU, I would be happy to use it. Meanwhile, I guess I am stuck with AT, AT2 (when/if it comes out), GTR or GR2...

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:46 pm

tq wrote:
Midiworks wrote:@tq
Why dont you head over there:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 30#1575330

then see, read and hear what "balls" mean.

Happy new year !
If you port your creation to Mac AU, I would be happy to use it. Meanwhile, I guess I am stuck with AT, AT2 (when/if it comes out), GTR or GR2...

Both of these sound very promising.
Of course only when full functional demos are available that we can come to some conclusions.
I hope they will both be great so we can look for years of health competition.

chrishurley · Post by **chrishurley** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:17 am

wow- the guitar rig 2 demo is unimpressive as can be. Am I missing something? If I could get a decent cabinet sound out of it, I might impulse it for use with boogex, but I can't seem to make the thing sound good to save my life.

multree · Post by **multree** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:42 am

I really like the Dual-Gear-Grunge-Pad files... sounds quite FooFighting

could be the melody though

DaveB · Post by **DaveB** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:33 am

tq wrote:If you port your creation to Mac AU, I would be happy to use it. Meanwhile, I guess I am stuck with AT, AT2 (when/if it comes out), GTR or GR2...

...or Aura Pro (available in AU & VST formats for OS X).

seamoss · Post by **seamoss** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:13 am

well, just got back from a two week vacation and I must say that these demos on the IK site are lame.

....but it just confirms what I was already thinking.

software amp sims are cool but they just don't emulate tubes very well. they just don't capture that warm, glassy sound that a tube amp has.

I guess if a solid state tone is what your after, amp sims are fine but IMO they fall real short from an actual tube amp. amazes me that anyone who actually owns a twin, ac-30...or any other classic tube amp would ever argue this.

oh well, I have to admit that I bought into the hype of amplitube 2 but thank god I didn't actually "$buy$" into the hype

I'll definitely pass on this one

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:29 am

seamoss wrote:software amp sims are cool but they just don't emulate tubes very well. they just don't capture that warm, glassy sound that a tube amp has.

A perfect example of how people develop psychosematic associations. Tubes are warm. Tubes are made of glass. They don't produce sound that is warm and sounds 'glassy'.

Some proper tube amps produce some truly atrocious muddy and dull-sounding turd that sounds like it's been farted out in splattering bursts from the anus of a farm animal. Which is sometimes a really cool sound.

Other proper tube amps sound like you're having your ears assailed by shrill and cold spikes of gleaming metal... not warm or glassy at all!

I don't mean to pick on seamoss in general... it's a very common thing that is said about tube amps and he just happens to be the one who said it this time.

What I'm saying doesn't mean that "warm and glassy" can't be used to describe a tone, though... just as some tones can be associated with colours, others can be associated with sensations and texture. When I hear "warm and glassy", for instance, I think of John Mayer's clean tone on the John Mayer Trio CD. Or if I drop the "glassy" and just think of "warm", I think of fuzz-laden rhythm tracks, which are incidentally primarily the result of transistors, resistors, capacitors, SS diodes, etc., and not tubes at all (the Muff may influence the tubes, but the sound is still primarily the Muff!).

I wonder what sound other people imagine when they think of warm and glassy?

Greg

daGuru · Post by **daGuru** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:35 am

Glassy -> normally think of clear, hard, brittle, etc

Warm -> fuzzy, human touch

beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:48 am

123 pages...hmmm...I've had a BUNCH of real amps in my life...tubes, solid state, mixtures...they are a PAIN IN THE ASS..to carry, to adjust, etc...

BUT, yeah...the sims don't sound like them no matter how hard they try or even how close they get.

Overall, any music recorded digitally just doesn't sound the same as music played live or recorded on an analog device.

Still, it's pretty freaking close and I've got a studio sittin' on this tiny desk

AND AT2 does get close to what I'm looking for and I'm not so sure that there aren't some plug-ins out there that might fool 90% of the general public..ya know the ones that buy the music after all

The bottom line is whether it sounds good...digital or not...

Just my 2 cents which might actually be worth about the same...

--Rob

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:11 am

Interesting that you mention Live music, where the purity and subtlety of tone is often completely lost as an audience member.

Of course, Live recordings are a different matter, but actually SITTING in the audience, particularly at a rock concert (moreso than something with clean-toned solos like an intimate Jazz show featuring guitar), and I can't imagine anybody really noticing.

If anything, even many Live recordings have crap tone on them.

There are obvious exceptions, but most of the exceptions I can think of are blues artists!

WoJ · Post by **WoJ** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:19 am

Pff, use a zoom pedal, it'll save everyone a lot of time.

Perhaps if someone were to actualy set up amplitube blasting out of a 4x12" cab on a large stage they'd think better of it. Im sure i would! And carying around a laptop is much easier than carrying around a huge amp.

WoJ

Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!