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Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:56 pm

Pouckypluysch wrote:
Hink wrote:isn't the groove completely dependant on the timing and the tempo there of?
It's more dependant on the timing than on the tempo, I think. It's possible to keep a groove working even when the tempo is floating.

But then again, steady timing is easier with a steady tempo. To get that, all band members should keep a steady tempo, not only the drummer.

again that is my entire point...and instead people skip it....working by myself with sequencers and drum macines I have gotten quite use to all the parts being in time...therefore I am in time....when playing with live musicians I sometimes have problems and get flustered (not fall apart, stop playing or even letting it be heard) when the drummer lets me lead him, it throws me off because I have gotten use to the rhythm section being rock solid.

Not aimed at you Pouckypluysch, I agree with you...but I do not see how that is off the topic of the thread, not valid, or my problem....or how anyone can not understand what I'm saying and turn it into something completely unrealistic and off base.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:01 pm

Morgaxx wrote:10,001 times now...

thanx...

my question is, did you notice what I pointed out, and if you did do you see how if those parts lined up perfectly the song would of been too static? I think that it helps to keep the song open and free...

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:12 pm

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Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:14 pm

Whoomph · Post by **Whoomph** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:16 pm

easy for some!!

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:18 pm

Meffy wrote:Playing with real musicians is hard. But playing with the Ludwig van Beethoven, Johann Sebastian Bach, and Wolfgang Mozart Action Figures is EASY!

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Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:19 pm

:-) Pardon the disruption, I just had to say it.

putte · Post by **putte** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:20 pm

WoJ wrote: So did the The Beatles use complicated chords...?

.. they did, quite often actually ..

Whoomph · Post by **Whoomph** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:25 pm

Still do !!!! listen to Chaos and Creation

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:28 pm

Playing with the musicians from my last band was really easy, and always a joy. Dealing with the singer was horrible, and ultimately she ruined everything.

Whoomph · Post by **Whoomph** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:33 pm

james0tucson wrote:Playing with the musicians from my last band was really easy, and always a joy. Dealing with the singer was horrible, and ultimately she ruined everything.

The last band I was in had the very same dynamic

WoJ · Post by **WoJ** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:28 am

putte wrote:
WoJ wrote: So did the The Beatles use complicated chords...?
.. they did, quite often actually ..

Your two pages behind putte, i fixed that already!

WoJ

putte · Post by **putte** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:15 pm

WoJ wrote:Your two pages behind putte, i fixed that already!

.. i´m just a topmodern retro geezer ..

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:17 pm

I'm not a very seasoned 'full band' jammer, but it's happened at least a few dozen times in my life, and I have to say that from those experiences I primarily agree with Hink. When the drummer's lousy, there's nothing you can do to save the song. The other band-members can't "lead" the drummer, because that implies he has no sense of timing of his own... if he's drifting in and out of time already, he's likely to continue doing it until he puts in some serious practice and dedication. The band can't guide the way for him.

A drummer's human, too, and can therefore sometimes flub and fluctuate. For flubs, the rest of the band members need to trust that if they continue, he'll pick up where he left off. They're not really "guiding", they're aware that he's a good drummer and are trusting that in a brief moment (a second, really, though it may feel like 5!) he'll be back leading THEM.

For fluctuations, he might be responding to the entire vibe, in which case no harm done! But he should also be sensitive to the other musicians and his interaction with them. When he realizes he's sped up too much, he should gradually ramp it back down a bit until the groove clicks again.

99% of my jamming is done just with another guitarist and vocalist, and in terms of time spent and productivity, it can go either way, even with the same person. I've had days where creative output is unstoppable. And I've had days where I just wanted to smack my other main collaborator because he keeps noodling on his guitar instead of focusing on the song.

To completely discount the entire approach is out of the scope of imagination for me because "productive" or not, there's nothing more satisfying to me than making music alongside another breathing person.

Greg

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:47 am

I've joined a rock band.

Been rehearsing twice a week for a month: the practise tonight was tight as the proverbial gnat's pudenda! Now we just need to find a good sounding room to record in..

playing with real musicians is hard