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[Midiworks]

If the initial price went to $100 and add-ons were $39, I think it would still work.
....
I wouldn't even blink at spending $59, and $99 would only require mild debate (unless it was for only one amp)

There has been a little more than 400 downloads of XmasTube in those 3 days, when it was available.


So lets see...

I offer all people who downloaded XmasTube
another cool heavy amp model, for lets say, 39 Euros.
Incuding a new cab & good low frequenzies.
(No need to high-pass the bass)

If your theory is right, it should be no big deal
too sell 200 XmasTube extensions. Right ?

We also offer a full upgrade reduction of those 39 Euros to any other amp version, when released.


But !
If there are less than 200 orders,
I have to cancel the whole deal.


I am really curious how many will join in on that deal.
email: xtension<AT>soundspectral.com

Are YOU right and I am wrong ?
Maybe...

[Lunch Money]

None of us are marketing geniuses, Midiworks. Talk to somebody who knows about such things, get some advice, and make a real product with a real impact. The last thing you want to do is sell yourself short because then you and your loooooong work won't be taken seriously.

You could take a cue from NI, though-- their single-amp one-offs are what... $70? I don't know (in all honesty) that I'd pay that much for a newcomer to the scene, but if the sound speaks for itself, I might! Whatever price (39 Euro isn't a bad suggestion, actually) for the one-off models, don't make that your primary product. I think you still need a flagship product that includes more amp models, which works out to less cost per-amp for the consumer, but which is a higher initial price-point.

Then, if there are people who truly only need 1 or 2 amps, they can pay the 39 Euro (or whatever) per amp. But I really think you need the Soundspectral Amp suite with the full GUI, all the amps you have ready to go, and all the stomp-boxes.

I think that beyond the KvR market (and you DO need to look beyond, because KvR can't support you!) you'll be able to generate more interest in a full flagship product.

But I must say again: none of us (including me!) are marketing geniuses, so it's best to go with whatever option makes you happy and comfortable. Think big, act big, and market as big as you have the budget for.

If you do offer the $39 X 200 option to the primarily KvR user-base, please use any leftover money (after paying bills!) to get the work out there and do some marketing!

Also, once you have a product, make sure that you do bugfixes and so forth, but if you want the product line to grow, you can use your time and energy toward Soundspectral Amp 2.0, which shouldn't be a quick one-off to try to get extra revenue, but a true refinement of the Soundspectral engine. Only with tangible improvements and clear product development will you be able to sell your next product at a decent price!

Think big!

Greg

[Jeremy_NSL]

I don't mean to put a damper on your enthusiasm, but: expecting 50% of those who downloaded a free plugin to now purchase a 39 Euro plugin is widely optimistic. I would say 10-20% would be a really GREAT percentage from a marketing point of view.

[Midiworks]

Thanks Greg, I know you are right.

But this subject comes up again and again,
so I thought, ok, lets see...
Its only valid for XmasTube owners, if they wish to show support they can do so now,
even if I think we will not reach the 200.
I also believe people want and need the full version of the amp.

But I like the upgrade idea of this offer.

Anyway... 5 days...

[Lunch Money]

Indeed, though many of those would be willing to pay more than $39 Euro.

Honestly, what you need to do is place what YOU consider to be the right price tag on it. Then, whether it sells or not, at least you have placed the right value on your own work. If that price tag is $39 Euros, great for us! If it's more, many of us will still be interested.

Greg

[edit: crossposted, hadn't seen Midiworks' post, so I was replying to floyd]

[AndrewSimon]

So lets see...

I offer all people who downloaded XmasTube
another cool heavy amp model, for lets say, 39 Euros.
Incuding a new cab & good low frequenzies.
(No need to high-pass the bass)

If your theory is right, it should be no big deal
too sell 200 XmasTube extensions. Right ?

We also offer a full upgrade reduction of those 39 Euros to any other amp version, when released.


I am really curious how many will join in on that deal.
email: xtension<AT>soundspectral.com

Are YOU right and I am wrong ?
Maybe...

Not sure I understand.
2 Amps (1 is Xmas?) with 2 cabs, (tone control?) and we can change the mic position? ..... if so I am in.

[cheul]

You mean in 5 days the product is ready ?

One thing I wanted to ask though : XmasTube is also limited in its drive range right, I believe I read it a few pages back, but want to set things straight (not just cab and low end I mean) ? I just want to make sure because your mp3s seem to have much more gain, and I'm curious to hear what the full blown version of the amp sounds like on sustained chords (hoping it's not the same as XmasTube, where lies its weak point I think).
I hope my remarks are taken in a positive/constructive way, I don't mean to talk trash about your hard work.

[Vervil]

http://www.soundspectral.com/5150_4.mp3

This one is good

am seriously thinking about it.
But how much to charge per amp model ???

I am not sure that you can charge per amp model at all. You need main product with a number of amp models and boxes that is a good value for the money. Than you can make add on packs for the plugin or paid upgrade for a new version of a plugin that could more or less look the same, just with more amp models or FX.
You can see basic model of that idea already in Line 6 product line. There is a main product with a number of models. Then you have add ons, http://www.line6.com/modelPacks/ That are giving very good value for the money, and cost less per one amp model compared to the main product. Their model packs are 50 bucks each and have 18 amp models. I don't think you have to work on modeling each of them separately, maybe you can give some of the models from the basic ampsim, but tweaked in a different way, fo instance I may be not right, but when you have Marshall character right, it should be not a problem to have a modded marshall or different Marshall model?
Anyway most important thing is to have a good basic plugin with enough different models and possibilities, this is a first step I guess.

[Midiworks]

Guys, I just want to get over this "sell cheap/sell many" theory.
The price for the full blown version will be between
200-249 Euros.
It simply can not be cheaper.

XmasTube uses the "old" engine btw, the new one
has up to 25x more drive.
Modeling is state of the art.
I am really proud of this invention.

No, cheul, you have the product already.
It would simply be a new data pack.
You would have to run 2 XmasTubes, one for each model.

I meant the offer is good for 5 days...
Sorry for the confusion.

[chrishurley]

There has been a little more than 400 downloads of XmasTube in those 3 days, when it was available.

Keep in mind that you had very little marketing at all- was there anything other than this post on KVR?

I offer all people who downloaded XmasTube
another cool heavy amp model, for lets say, 39 Euros.
Incuding a new cab & good low frequenzies.
(No need to high-pass the bass)

If you sold two or three amp models for 40-50 Euros, I think you'd sell a good crop of them.

Of course, it may take a short while for people to know about it, but those of us here would start using it hopefully talking it up- building more sales and interest in current and future packs.

If your theory is right, it should be no big deal
too sell 200 XmasTube extensions. Right ?

We also offer a full upgrade reduction of those 39 Euros to any other amp version, when released.

I'm not sure you can sell 200 of xmastube for $47 (39 euro), but maybe two amps with EQ and some control over the cab- probably so. It might take more than 3 days, but it should be a snowball effect.

I'm not sure that I understand about the upgrade reduction to other amp version... You mean you'd credit back the 39 euro when you came out with a full "amplitube style" pack? I'd sure rather see it sold ala carte, personally. (i.e. 39 euro kits of a few amps each- new amps and revenue "forever")

If there are less than 200 orders,
I have to cancel the whole deal.

I am really curious how many will join in on that deal.
email: xtension<AT>soundspectral.com

Are YOU right and I am wrong ?
Maybe...

I don't mean for this to be a conflict where one of us needs to be right or wrong. :) This was just another way to consider selling it that might get things flowing in more ways than one.

I'm sure *some* number of people would buy two amps with EQ controls and a couple of cabs for 39 Euro. Based on the strength of xmas tube, if I could get that, another amp, a couple of cabs and eq control (i.e. so it didn't obviously feel crippled), I'd be on board.

[chrishurley]

If you don't want it to sell many at a cheap price, I'm sure you can make that come true. :)

[darcyb62]

You might want to consider the model that Rayzoon Jamstix uses. The core is $99 which actually gices you quite a bit. He has then introduced very reasonably priced add-ons. It seems to me that something similar could work with this.

[warren]

Hey midiworks, do you have any idea of when the full version will be finished? I'm interested in your product, but I don't want to buy the cheaper version if the full one will be released a short time later. I'd rather just wait and buy the whole package.

Either way, keep up the great work. It sounds really good so far.

*edit*

Wait, I didn't see this part before:

"We also offer a full upgrade reduction of those 39 Euros to any other amp version, when released."

OK, nevermind my above comment. I would be interested in buying this.

[chrishurley]

If you don't want it to sell many at a cheap price, I'm sure you can make that come true. :)

To me, $300 is crazy money to get in the door. I suspect many other people would be in the same boat. I'd be much more inclined to buy something that was upgradable over time.

[AndrewSimon]

Guys, I just want to get over this "sell cheap/sell many" theory.
The price for the full blown version will be between
200-249 Euros.
It simply can not be cheaper.

XmasTube uses the "old" engine btw, the new one
has up to 25x more drive.
Modeling is state of the art.
I am really proud of this invention.

No, cheul, you have the product already.
It would simply be a new data pack.
You would have to run 2 XmasTubes, one for each model.

I meant the offer is good for 5 days...
Sorry for the confusion.

Hey do it anyway you think it's good for you, after all the market will dictate the price/success results.
I just hope we will see something soon and we won't need to wait another 6 month or a year.
I would be happy with either the full version or sections of it as long as it is good and ready.

Xmas Amp is great but very limited without the ability to change cabs and mic position.