http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
dual-core 1.67 or 1.83 Intel chips, effectively Centrino chips. Oh these things are so awesome!! Too bad there's going to be a wait time for native apps. Sure, Office will be available soon, and iLife is already native, but what about all the other stuff?
Of course, it's always best to wait for 2nd gen stuff anyway, especially with this dramatic of a change in architecture.
The question is, when does the dual-binary Tracktion hit the streets? And is there an upgrade charge?
Interesting stuff in the world of puters today!
New x86-based Macs are out!
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
so thease new macs will need re-coded software & drivers?
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- KVRAF
- 4229 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Right here, in front of my computer...
Depends on how they are developed. if they are compiled with X-Code, then code changes can be anywhere from nil (just tick the "dual binary" check box on the compiler) to a good amount of work.
If they are developed using something else, the work may be higher.
Logic with be dual-binary compiled by feb/march, I think it says on the Apple site.
Existing compiled software will run using Rosetta - essentially the new macs will run them emulated - you will lose some performance, but it's supposed to be not too bad. So existing stuff should continue to work in most cases.
If they are developed using something else, the work may be higher.
Logic with be dual-binary compiled by feb/march, I think it says on the Apple site.
Existing compiled software will run using Rosetta - essentially the new macs will run them emulated - you will lose some performance, but it's supposed to be not too bad. So existing stuff should continue to work in most cases.
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 17 Aug, 2005 from Hillsboro OR, USA
I'm really interested to see how Microsoft is going to be effected by this move. The line between a Mac and PC is fading quickly and with the only major difference being the OS Microsoft is going to have a very hard time explaining the hows and whys if the Macs run alot faster.
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- KVRist
- 426 posts since 14 Apr, 2003 from Switzerland
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 17 Aug, 2005 from Hillsboro OR, USA
That has been the subject of much debate ever since the word was put out that Apple was moving to Intel chips. I don't think it will happen for one basic reason. Right now Apple gets a higher price for their machines than any major computer maker. If they release their OS to the general computer public they turn Macs into "just another PC" which means that they would have to lower prices to compete. This would have a huge effect on their earnings.A3ntar wrote:Hey! DOes this mean that we soon be able to run a MAC OS on our PCs?
It will be very interesting to see in the next couple of years just how "main stream" Apple goes in an effort to keep growing the company.
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- KVRAF
- 4229 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Right here, in front of my computer...
Apple have publicly stated: NO you won't be able to buy/crack OSX to run on normal PC's, and YES, they will allow dual-booting into Windows or OS X on Apple MacIntels, or at least won't actively prevent.
So in theory, your fast, uber-cool, sleek, *powerful* macIntel laptops can run windows *and* OS X.
So in theory, your fast, uber-cool, sleek, *powerful* macIntel laptops can run windows *and* OS X.
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 2 Aug, 2005 from Maryland
At the very least you'd have to reformat and partition your hard drive. And even if you did manage to install windows, where would you get the drivers for all of the computers hardware?
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 17 Aug, 2005 from Hillsboro OR, USA
Except for the mother board it's all the same stuff that's in a normal PC anyway. Drivers would not be an issue.tgfoo wrote:At the very least you'd have to reformat and partition your hard drive. And even if you did manage to install windows, where would you get the drivers for all of the computers hardware?
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
We've had osx running on generic pc hardware and in vmware at my work about phz months ago. We had to fix an issue with checkpoint's secureclient and didn't have a working mac to hand, so we made do. We had several macs with osx, all in various states of disrepair, so we didn't feel we were out of order, although apple may disagree.
I don't fancy apple's chances of stopping a dedicated tinkerer from running an apple os on generic intel hardware these days. Essentially it's freebsd with a nice gui, locked to specific hardware.
When did apple say you can dual boot their machines to windows? I've missed that, and it seems unlikely they're keen.
I don't fancy apple's chances of stopping a dedicated tinkerer from running an apple os on generic intel hardware these days. Essentially it's freebsd with a nice gui, locked to specific hardware.
When did apple say you can dual boot their machines to windows? I've missed that, and it seems unlikely they're keen.
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"
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- KVRist
- 426 posts since 14 Apr, 2003 from Switzerland
There have been reports on the net when Apple announced the Intel Switch. An Apple representative said "they would not prevent people from installing Windows on Apple hardware" - that's more or less how they phrased it. And it's not so surprising either since they make their money with the hardware primarely.
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- KVRAF
- 2172 posts since 14 Feb, 2003
I would think they'd be very keen. Think about the upsides for Apple.
Wintel user who's been eyeing macs for a while finally decides he needs a new PC. His current Dell just ain't cuttin' it. Of course he has crossed this path before, and he chose a dell instead of a Mac... Too much software, peripherals, etc that he would lose if he switched. Well, not anymore...
Wintel user who's been eyeing macs for a while finally decides he needs a new PC. His current Dell just ain't cuttin' it. Of course he has crossed this path before, and he chose a dell instead of a Mac... Too much software, peripherals, etc that he would lose if he switched. Well, not anymore...
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- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
I doubt it'll run any faster at all. MS have come a long way since win98, and OSX is not exactly shy on candy bloat. Back in the day I could clearly show KDE outperforming windows for general snappiness and graphical performance (even with the cruft of X). Now I can't see a whole lot of difference.ruwaldo wrote:I'm really interested to see how Microsoft is going to be effected by this move. The line between a Mac and PC is fading quickly and with the only major difference being the OS Microsoft is going to have a very hard time explaining the hows and whys if the Macs run alot faster.
Arguably will apple be able to charge a premium for hardware that is basically no different to the crap that dell churns out? Sony can manage it by being a little cool, and apple are way cooler than sony right now, but how far can apple tread that?
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
I suspect the quote from the apple rep was more likely to read "We COULD not prevent people from installing windows on apple hardware". I doubt they're excited about the idea.
So in the absence of a link to an actual official statement ...
What pc user in their right mind would buy apple hardware that they can't upgrade, to dual-boot windows? Say they fancy a better soundcard/motherboard/processor in six months time - install it and find osx no longer boots? Why would that be a good option?
Who are these people who want to dual-boot windows and mac o/s, but have no desire to ever upgrade the hardware it runs on? Who're sitting at home thinking, hey, i'm as comfortable with macs as i am with pcs, if only there was a box locked to a rigid hardware configuration that could run both operating systems, that cost 1 and a half times the price of an equivalent pc, then I would truly be happy.
So in the absence of a link to an actual official statement ...
What pc user in their right mind would buy apple hardware that they can't upgrade, to dual-boot windows? Say they fancy a better soundcard/motherboard/processor in six months time - install it and find osx no longer boots? Why would that be a good option?
Who are these people who want to dual-boot windows and mac o/s, but have no desire to ever upgrade the hardware it runs on? Who're sitting at home thinking, hey, i'm as comfortable with macs as i am with pcs, if only there was a box locked to a rigid hardware configuration that could run both operating systems, that cost 1 and a half times the price of an equivalent pc, then I would truly be happy.
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"