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[kilroy]

Telecaster, incidentally, is my favourite kind of electric guitar.

Those early Telecaster ash bodies really weighed a ton. You felt like you had played guitar after hanging one of those on for the night. Excellent instrument, indeed.

[Lunch Money]

Ash is considered a lightweight wood compared to mahogany/maple (ie. Les Paul) still. But it's certainly no flyweight when it's solidbody.

Greg

[CatBoy]

the early or "heavy" telecasters were actually made from a special ash called "swamp ash"
It is cultivated once every 15 years if I'm not mistaken.
It's sound is alot different from regular ash for sure.

And the infamous 5150 debate.
Simply a great sounding amp. It's only drawback is the poor quality of parts that lead to noise.
I just use a expander in the fx loop and all is well.
If my Bogner went down I would happily plug in the old 5150 head.

[Hink]

the early or "heavy" telecasters were actually made from a special ash called "swamp ash"

my warmoth body is swamp ash, and birdseye maple neck with rosewood board...lightest guitar I've ever owned...including a 72 tele custom...it's not quite a parker, but It's very, very light...

[Lunch Money]

Swamp ash isn't particularly rare, or at least it wasn't, but then again lots of woods that were once common are now being (thankfully) protected, like certain kinds of Rosewood. Swamp ash, if I'm not mistaken, is fairly light compared to normal ash, though. Chamber it and you're in light-guitar heaven.

Greg

[mman]

While reading this thread I think I need to make one comment....

I don't beleive that reproducing the exact tone of those classic amps is the way to go anyway. We all know it's an impossible task.
If you ask me, the way to go is to make an vst amp musical enough, even unique in it's sound, so it can be used in real world.
With the Xmas-tube Rene did an excellent job. He already surpassed the big players with that one alone. OK his methods are not in line sometimes but hey, he is the one programming this. Does he need to be an amp expert or own bunch of vintage guitars?.... I don't think so, just as long as he is doing what he did with Xmas amp... After all, we are not all amp experts and many does not own an vintage guitars, we are not even pro players (at least some of us), but this is not stoping us from judging Renes work...

Have a nice day....

[dimitar]

While reading this thread I think I need to make one comment....

I don't beleive that reproducing the exact tone of those classic amps is the way to go anyway. We all know it's an impossible task.
If you ask me, the way to go is to make an vst amp musical enough, even unique in it's sound, so it can be used in real world.
With the Xmas-tube Rene did an excellent job. He already surpassed the big players with that one alone. OK his methods are not in line sometimes but hey, he is the one programming this. Does he need to be an amp expert or own bunch of vintage guitars?.... I don't think so, just as long as he is doing what he did with Xmas amp... After all, we are not all amp experts and many does not own an vintage guitars, we are not even pro players (at least some of us), but this is not stoping us from judging Renes work...

Have a nice day....

good man!

[dimitar]

After all, we are not all amp experts and many does not own an vintage guitars, we are not even pro players (at least some of us), but this is not stoping us from judging Renes work...

Have a nice day....

you are the man

[Sleek Month]

Umm...yeah.

I think both Peavey and Hartley Peavey are doing just fine.

There are few (no?) names that stand for high quality and durability on the level of Peavey.

Are there???

_S.

[Midiworks]

1st part is Matt on 5150 with Mesa cab.
2nd part is Vervil dry take over Midiwork amp.
edit: ups the other way around...

http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/5150 ... p_Matt.mp3

Thanks a lot Vervil !!!
(this was the missing link)

[fritzman]

While reading this thread I think I need to make one comment....

I don't beleive that reproducing the exact tone of those classic amps is the way to go anyway. We all know it's an impossible task.

I don't know that this is an impossible task and I don't think that it is impossible. I've got some synth recreations as plugins here and they do sound quite close to the originals. I dunno why this shouldn't be possible with tube guitar amps?

If you ask me, the way to go is to make an vst amp musical enough, even unique in it's sound, so it can be used in real world.

Good idea. I'm more for GOOD sounds than for exact replicas. But Renes goal was/is to replicate certain amps and that didn't succeed with the amps I do know. I never played a Carvin Legacy so I can't tell if the Xmas amp is spot on to emulate this one. The Xmas amp sounds good to me to be used as an amp sim. And in this case I simply don't care if it's a spot on emulation. If Rene would just say something like RockAmp1, BluesAmp2, etc. and some people hear some similarities it would be much better for us all. Noone could come along and say that it's not spot on because they do know that amp. Easy, he?

With the Xmas-tube Rene did an excellent job. He already surpassed the big players with that one alone. OK his methods are not in line sometimes but hey, he is the one programming this. Does he need to be an amp expert or own bunch of vintage guitars?.... I don't think so, just as long as he is doing what he did with Xmas amp... After all, we are not all amp experts and many does not own an vintage guitars, we are not even pro players (at least some of us), but this is not stoping us from judging Renes work...

Have a nice day....

I don't think that Rene needs to be an amp expert or a vintage guitar owner or a professional guitarists to develop such stuff. The example that Luch Money gave with Leo Fender is a good one for the opposite. Hartley Peavey is another good example. He's a poor musician (as he once said) but a good technician as his products show. My point is that if somebody has a big mouth with easy talk he should be able to back that up. If Rene would just say "Hey, I'm not a good guitarist and that's the reason I always ask for dry clips." Then I think that's ok. If it works for him. It sure gets problematic if he can't hear certain things and says that he does. Example: JCM900 cab sim. OK, everybody makes their mistake and I do mine for sure. I just thought that it's uncool what Rene did with that real amp mp3. Something like "Hey, can you tell which one is the real amp?" would be adequate. Pretending and wanna be style doesn't pay off.
Now again, I like the Xmas amp and I'm really thakful for that Xmas gift Rene gave me! I think we could let this issue pass by and relax and make some music.

BTW, my custom strat has a mahagony body and a birdseye maple with rosewood fretboard boat neck, both by Warmoth. The guitar is quite heavy weighted. I'm looking for some different tone for my next axe. I would like to have something that has more treble but sounds warm as my mahagony body does. I don't want glassy sounds, just some more overtones with fat low end and warm mids. Could anyone recommend what woods do this?


All the best, FRitz

P.S. Just saw Renes new post: Without the masking echo on the left it would be easier to judge the tone but if we really hear Renes amp sim this time then it sounds cool.

[Midiworks]

Correction:
1st part is Vervil dry take over Midiwork amp.
2nd part is Matt on 5150 with Mesa cab.

http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/5150 ... p_Matt.mp3

Thanks a lot Vervil !!!
(this was the missing link)


PS. Its the same take, but one side shifted a bit.(no echo)

[slurm_addiction]

While reading this thread I think I need to make one comment....

I don't beleive that reproducing the exact tone of those classic amps is the way to go anyway. We all know it's an impossible task.
If you ask me, the way to go is to make an vst amp musical enough, even unique in it's sound, so it can be used in real world.
With the Xmas-tube Rene did an excellent job. He already surpassed the big players with that one alone. OK his methods are not in line sometimes but hey, he is the one programming this. Does he need to be an amp expert or own bunch of vintage guitars?.... I don't think so, just as long as he is doing what he did with Xmas amp... After all, we are not all amp experts and many does not own an vintage guitars, we are not even pro players (at least some of us), but this is not stoping us from judging Renes work...

Have a nice day....

I'm totally agree with that.
I only need a good guitar sound that it can be used in my tracks. I don't need an identical replica of a particular brand.
Ey Rene excellent job with the last mp3 !! it sounds great to me
Sorry for my english, I'm from spain ( Europe )

EDIT: arggg I liked the second part of that mp3 , but I just read that this part was the real amp U_U, sorry . Well I'm not an expert but the first part sounds a little more gritty than the second. The second part maybe sounds more soft? btw, great job, ( this thing look like better than amplitube and guitar rig ! )

bye

[fritzman]

Original (second half) still sounds better. Sim is not too far off. It has some digital sounding treble clipping

Tip: Load it into your DAW and pan full right to turn off the echo/shifting/delay to hear the amp better.


Best wishes, FRitz

P.S. My wife (not a guitar player but a singer) can hear it easily.

[zeoy]

I tend to agree with Fritz here, there's somehing slightly wrong in the higher frequencies but overall the character is quite close. Moreover it seems to me that there is more room sound in the original recording (of course that's not against your sim Rene). I think that within a mix it would be very hard to tell the original from the sim (esp. with some clever EQing).
Very good job Rene.
My only concern is that with so much talk and efforts for the new-metal sound clean or crunch amp models may not be in the same league (please tell me I am wrong Rene)