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[AndrewSimon]

Not good to my ears sorry.

Considering it's a different take with a different guitar/pickups/player and an emulation on top of that I must say it's very close but that's not even the point, it just sounds good on it's own.

Could you emulate Rene's sound with a real amp?

[kilroy]

I'm looking for some different tone for my next axe. I would like to have something that has more treble but sounds warm as my mahagony body does. I don't want glassy sounds, just some more overtones with fat low end and warm mids. Could anyone recommend what woods do this?

Fritzman, if you are basically satisfied with the body sound of your guitar I would first simply try bolting a maple neck on the body you are playing now. Sometimes just having that maple on the neck juices the treble response just enough to get the lift you need, and get your harmonics "singing" a little more on top. I always fancied the maple necks had a bit more bite as well...fat transients. If the body sound is warm at the present, then the maple shouldn't make the sound too "clanky".

Might be a cheaper way of exploring a brighter sound without messing with body wood laminations and such.

[cheul]

Well I did prefer some earlier demos, like dimitar's chugga stuffs, which lead me to repeat that the winning approach is to concentrate on getting the most representative/generic Modern High-gain sound than trying to stick to a particular real-amp. Just my 2 eurocents.

BUT I'm starting to think that rene's approach was to create a killer disto engine that could do BOTH. Of course that would then be the winnning approach as it would be great for studio and live use. I guess he managed to get a great overall tone at first (earlier demos) and now he just has to tweak some of the engine parameters to get closer to a particular model (5150 currently). But it's getting beyond the scope of my knowledge... but having some insight from the genious at work would do no harm; he's been quite hard to follow lately as to the evolution of his engines.

[Hink]

There are few (no?) names that stand for high quality and durability on the level of Peavey.

Sort of. Peavey have a totally undeserved reputation for being low-end, budget. But people who actually try their gear usually really like it. It's kind of funny, kind of sad, how many blind-test reviewers end up saying a variant on "I chose Peavey? I thought I had better taste than that!"

their pro-audio stuff is great, but I never liked the sounds from the older Peavey guitar amps...I'm far from alone on that, but they had a cheesy plastic sound too me. The trutht is they did have a lot of artists endorsing them. I saw Derringer (sp) two weeks in a row. I was shocked the fist week to see that he was using Peaveys. The second week I was at the stage in stead of a ways back...there was a rack of JCM800's behind the amps.

When they came out with 2nd wave in the 80's and 90's they still weren't much better imo, remember things like this is completely subjective and really depends on what you can do with the amp. I had an original Classic, an original backstage + and a newer artist at different points. They all had that Peavey sound.

But when it came to PA gear or bass gear I agree with Sleek Month, though the quality didn't change they did do what I expected...in fact I would say that Sleek Month is right about the quality and durability in general. We had an SP1 system with a 16 channel board, cs 1200, 2xcs800 (one for the monitors) and a cs400...very good pa system (but the rack of power amps took four of us to get in the truck) not much could damage that stuff.

But as a guitar player if you don't like the sound then what's the point? I just never could get around that Peavey sound, but the 5150 was a different story...as was the bass and keyboard amps....neither of which colored the sound the way the guitar amps did. A lot of southern rock bands and CW bands did use all Peavey stages...how many of them used it and how many of them used something else I do not know...so it's not fair to say they had I thought better taste, they may have been getting paid to display them on stage.

So in general I agree that they is nothing "wrong" with Peavey, I agree that they are quite durable and reliable...but not my sound. Of course then you could buy a used Plexi head for 350 bux almost anywhere..

[slurm_addiction]

Yes I agree with grandaddy... this is pretty close... or with other words close enough

I agree as well, this would definately be usable.

I agree too. Not a identical 5150 sound BUT completely usable in home recordings. This kind of distortion sound ( just the one I need ) it's impossible to get with the other software that actually exists ( AT, GR, GTR ...), but seems more accurate in midiworks's amp.
Release it man!!

[kilroy]

OK, had a listen to these latest clips.

Direct emulation is always going to be a frustrating pursuit to some degree. If one was shooting for a spot on emulation of that particular head amp, it might be easier done by leaving any cabinets out of the equation entirely in order to properly model the basic response character of the pre/power amp. I would imagine that would involve spending considerable time with a 5150 in good working repair, and a *full* range play back system to audition it through in an effort to avoid, as much as practical anyway, the influence of the bandpassed colouring that various guitar cabs impart to the sound themselves. No doubt the Mesa cab in this example is adding considerably to this particular 5150 tone.

To be sure, Rene's sim has some of the essence of that 5150 torque, I think he might be on the right track...but there's a bit of that high end break up that sounds as if a power tube was on the way out or something. That would lead to a fairly fatiguing sound once it was layered up, as is typical for any heavy style guitar production. Probably the thing I fancied most about the real 5150 in general was the fact that you could get a really bright, really deep, and extremely tight, dense sound.

However, possibly I should also qualify these observations by stating that, for the most part, the 5150s I used to hear most frequently were used by players that were in the habit of modding their rigs. One bloke in particular used to come to gigs with the exact same rig every time, yet it sounded slightly different every time as well. He would even open up the bleeding head at break times and fiddle about changing tubes and caps and such...total madness. First thing I used to do when his back was turned was to nick his soldering iron.

[dimitar]

some of you guys dont know what you want in general

[~BURNY~]

Not trying to bash anyone but all I hear is the same basic character (good or not) with a convoluted cab/mic from Matt Smith sample, so where's the emulation? It doesn't have that special slight low mid pre-gain boost noor that clear high end, nor that bottom tightness. This like using one X (not so bad) plugin and process it with CurveEQ or something... That's my very humble opinion. I really thought there was something special when I heard old demos at first, but now I'm starting to wonder where's the deal exactly.

[dimitar]

Not good to my ears sorry.

Considering it's a different take with a different guitar/pickups/player and an emulation on top of that I must say it's very close but that's not even the point, it just sounds good on it's own.

Could you emulate Rene's sound with a real amp?

[kilroy]

some of you guys dont know what you want in general

Not always true, my friend. I know exactly what I want...





...world peace, and enough food and shelter for everyone. Everything else is quite far down the list.


Doesn't take much to make me happy, really.

[Jafo]

some of you guys dont know what you want in general

Guilty as charged. Way guilty...

Sometimed it seems that we all want our guitars to be something different: dark and sustaining (like a sax or cello), percussive and clear (like a piano), or soft and melodic (a voice or flute), and usually just plain LOUD (like a stick of dynamite). The real beauty of the guitar is that it is all of these -- and the ugly fact is that it is none of these.

[prizo]

Let me demo this sim next to my POD riff.
I'll use the same bass, same drums, same riff.

Then we ca A/B it much better.

Lets get some real metal in there.

[dimitar]

...world peace, and enough food and shelter for everyone. Everything else is quite far down the list.

Amen!

[dimitar]

dark and sustaining (like a sax or cello), percussive and clear (like a piano), or soft and melodic (a voice or flute),

My Life Dream

[Midiworks]

Not trying to bash anyone but all I hear is the same basic character (good or not) with a convoluted cab/mic from Matt Smith sample

How would you do that ?