Please help un-jade me.

[Sickle]

but check out almost anything from Mike Patton.

Agreed. Give Mr Bungle's 'California' a spin..

[waiting man]

never learn or remember what you listen to, those numbers and titles behind the cd cover...they're useless, the "shuffle" option in players is your ally in the endless battle against your brain's need of stability.

[nuffink]

Try Thrill Jockey Records.

[tk421]

never learn or remember what you listen to, those numbers and titles behind the cd cover...they're useless, the "shuffle" option in players is your ally in the endless battle against your brain's need of stability.

I like to play my whole ipod collection on random. I pretend I have my own radio station run by monkeys.

[Mr. Tunes]

Is it this one? http://www.micromusic.net/
I found it by downloading YMvst from http://preromanbritain.com/ymvst/. There are some other cool links there.

no hmmm that's not it. thanks though

[mikebeck]

Another vote for Fantomas or any other Mike Patton stuff. But when I just need to get back to something elemental; people who can make their instruments sing, I listen to Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli. I think their souls and brain stems were directly connected to their fingers with no detours.

[JackDark]

Try Thrill Jockey Records.

Well, Gimmie Trouble at least.

[glurgle]

Trevor Dunns Trio Convulsant.

I just remembered this band when I saw their name on the Fantomas link posted earlier. I heard them on the radio a while back and thought it was pretty cool. Although maybe not the most *amazingly new* sound out there, very interesting listen all the same.

[JackDark]

Well, I took the advice of "go back in time to find the new stuff" to the extreme.

What I found was this:



OHM: The early gurus of electronic music 1948-1980

Easily some of the most innovative and insane electronic music I've ever, ever heard. Most of it is decades old. Really puts things in perspective as to how "fresh and new" a lot of current electronic artists -really are- versus what critics say. I really recommend this 3 CD album to anyone looking for extremely unusual music... much of it damn right spooky.

http://www.furious.com/perfect/ohm/

Brand new you're retro.

[Reverse Engineer]

Well, I took the advice of "go back in time to find the new stuff" to the extreme.

What I found was this:



OHM: The early gurus of electronic music 1948-1980

Easily some of the most innovative and insane electronic music I've ever, ever heard. Most of it is decades old. Really puts things in perspective as to how "fresh and new" a lot of current electronic artists -really are- versus what critics say. I really recommend this 3 CD album to anyone looking for extremely unusual music... much of it damn right spooky.

http://www.furious.com/perfect/ohm/

Brand new you're retro.

I hope you got the 3CD + DVD Version. There's loads of cool stuff on that (the dvd...live performances, interviews etc.)

[DWb]

Fantastic, fantastic compilation. Some really really amazing stuff.

Have you tried any of the other recommendations and got unjaded yet, btw? So far I've checked out Deerhoof (nice, but sounds a bit like Stereolab or Broadcast so not totally unexpected), Black Dice (definitely different, although I'm still not sure whether it's any good or not - which might be a good sign) and some dubstep, Skream in particular, which is awesome.

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[corman rapeblio]

Simple: Black Dice - Broken Ear Record, or... Beaches and Canyons...

[eduardo_b]

I'm bored.... I feel so jaded... am I getting "old man syndrome" (i.e. nothing'll ever be new under the sun) or has there truly actually not been anything new under the sun in a few years?

wow how succinct, something ive tried to explain quite a bit to people recently
dont go forward, go back.

noice.

Maybe people shouldn't expect so much from music? Truely original stuff comes along rarely.

This topic shows up on KVR every so often, and I think it points to much larger issues than just music (which I’ll get to in a moment). New is the problem. We want it, expect it, sometimes live for it. As a culture, we’ve internalized new as a way of life. New is good, old is…well…old – but not in a good way. This is, to put it succinctly, a road to nowhere.

Let’s start with new. New doesn’t mean better, improved or innovative. It’s not even different much of the time. It’s just new. The goal of marketing is to make us want new and then more new, never ending new. While this makes economic sense, the promise of new doesn’t really work when it comes to the arts, including music.

Technology has made music more readily available than at any other time in human history. There are tens of thousands of bands and artists who have recorded music over the decades. (It is interesting to note, however, that approximately 70 percent of music prior to 1965 is currently not legally available, for a variety of reasons). The vast majority of this music is just not very good, regardless of genre.

True talent is not that common despite the six billion people on the planet and the ease with which they can now record and distribute their work. When it comes to music (and content in general) the Internet is a tower of babble, but not of quality. And who has the time to search for the good stuff once the realities of adult, non-student life kick in.

The proliferation of genres hasn’t made things better. Tell me, what the f**k is glitch? Who cares. It’s just one of dozens of sub-categories filled with music that more often than not is neither good nor even vaguely interesting after a zillion people try their hand at it. My rule of thumb is “one in ten on a good day.” I already know that the really great is separated by many thousands of not great.

We do expect too much from music when new is the primary criterion. But, it would be different if “new” was changed to “new to me.” Then the advice to “go back” makes a lot of sense. There’s a lot of music from the past waiting to be discovered and re-discovered. I love it when I read reviews on Amazon by people who are young enough to really appreciate Pink Floyd, Peter Frampton or (fill in the blank). It’s new to them and totally different from the unending stream of sound-alike music that is being released now.

The “old man syndrome” is really shorthand for saying someone has been around long enough to have heard a lot of music, and now it takes something really unique and of quality to make it exciting. You get to a point where you begin to recognize at some level that most of what one hears isn’t really very good. It may be popular, but that is never a measure of quality.

There’s nothing wrong with going back and finding music that one really connects to – each in our own way. For me, it’s listening to Pink Floyd’s The Wall with really good headphones.

[JackDark]

Have you tried any of the other recommendations and got unjaded yet, btw?

I took the time to check out 95% of the music people recommended (out of courtesy at least). Out of all that music, what I ended up liking was:

The Knife - Deep Cuts
Modeselektor - Hello Mom!

Great albums, but not so much innovative as "well studied".

I went and listened to all The Knife music I could find, and they are certainly a unique duo. It seems though that at times they really don't know what they want to do... cohesion wise. They have a chance at getting somewhere if they'd make a better website.

Out of all the other music I listened to however nothing really caught my interest, or I'd already heard it before being recommended.

Again though, this OHM compilation is amazing and very humbling. There is a song on there by
Jean-Claude Risset called Mutations that sounds so eerily similar to my Soluna EP's Fields Of The Sun that I had to be sure Risset wasn't dead and I wasn't ghost writing! That super freaked me out, and again, humbled me. Anyone who listens to this compilation will realize that we throw around the words "genius" and "new" these days all too easily. Sequencers ruined electronic music!

Now I am off to explore the Tzadik label. I have Maryanne Amacher's Sound Characters already, and that album will mutilate your head.