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kilroy · Post by **kilroy** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:56 am

Aw well, what the heck...might as well givver.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:51 am

kilroy wrote:
fritzman wrote:I'm looking for some different tone for my next axe. I would like to have something that has more treble but sounds warm as my mahagony body does. I don't want glassy sounds, just some more overtones with fat low end and warm mids. Could anyone recommend what woods do this?
Fritzman, if you are basically satisfied with the body sound of your guitar I would first simply try bolting a maple neck on the body you are playing now. Sometimes just having that maple on the neck juices the treble response just enough to get the lift you need, and get your harmonics "singing" a little more on top. I always fancied the maple necks had a bit more bite as well...fat transients. If the body sound is warm at the present, then the maple shouldn't make the sound too "clanky".

Might be a cheaper way of exploring a brighter sound without messing with body wood laminations and such.

Thanx kilroy,

I will check out maple necks. I want to keep my guitar intact as it sounds really cool. Will check it for a new one.

Best wishes, FRitz

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:54 am

Fritz, did you ever check PRS guitars carefully?
IMO some of them pretty much match what you're asking for. There's some older standard models that should be available for relatively fair prices.
They seem to be surprisingly good for slightly heavier tones as well. Wes Borland used one for quite some of the older Limp Bizkit recordings and live gigs.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:59 am

Sascha Franck wrote:Fritz, did you ever check PRS guitars carefully?
IMO some of them pretty much match what you're asking for. There's some older standard models that should be available for relatively fair prices.
They seem to be surprisingly good for slightly heavier tones as well. Wes Borland used one for quite some of the older Limp Bizkit recordings and live gigs.

Thanx for the tip, Sacha. Will check them again. It's some time ago and back then they didn't feel right (neck shape, short scale, etc.) while the sound always was a little too Les Paulish for me. I've been more a bolt on neck guy for all my guitarists life.

I will check them again, quite a few guys with a great tone are playing them so they can't be THAT wrong.

All the best, FRitz

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:44 am

May I quote myself here just as a reminder to Rene or anyone else willing to comment ...

zeoy wrote:...My only concern is that with so much talk and efforts for the new-metal sound, clean or crunch amp models may not be in the same league (please tell me I am wrong Rene)

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:49 am

zeoy wrote:May I quote myself here just as a reminder to Rene or anyone else willing to comment ...

zeoy wrote:...My only concern is that with so much talk and efforts for the new-metal sound, clean or crunch amp models may not be in the same league (please tell me I am wrong Rene)

So you want it all, he???

Me too.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:51 am

fritzman wrote: Thanx for the tip, Sacha. Will check them again. It's some time ago and back then they didn't feel right (neck shape, short scale, etc.) while the sound always was a little too Les Paulish for me. I've been more a bolt on neck guy for all my guitarists life.
I will check them again, quite a few guys with a great tone are playing them so they can't be THAT wrong.

There's one model, I think it's called "classic electric" (no idea whether they're still in the makings) that had an all maple neck which was bolt on. It's even been cheaper than the standard models and it was sounding somewhat more "open". Not all that much Les Paul-ish.

If you ever get one, just make sure to replace their pickup selector. I wonder who in the world had such a lameass idea of using a KNOB as a PU switch - no visual feedback on darker stages, no tactile feedback at all. Good old PRS must've thought "oh, it's revolutionary, so I'll use it", completely neglecting that this was just one thing: utterly dumb.
There's nothing like a good old 3- or 5-way switch.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:01 am

Sascha Franck wrote:
fritzman wrote: Thanx for the tip, Sacha. Will check them again. It's some time ago and back then they didn't feel right (neck shape, short scale, etc.) while the sound always was a little too Les Paulish for me. I've been more a bolt on neck guy for all my guitarists life.
I will check them again, quite a few guys with a great tone are playing them so they can't be THAT wrong.
There's one model, I think it's called "classic electric" (no idea whether they're still in the makings) that had an all maple neck which was bolt on. It's even been cheaper than the standard models and it was sounding somewhat more "open". Not all that much Les Paul-ish.

Cool, will look for that one.

Ah, found it, 2100Euros at Amptown. Not toooo expensive. Have to go to the shop ...

Sascha Franck wrote:If you ever get one, just make sure to replace their pickup selector. I wonder who in the world had such a lameass idea of using a KNOB as a PU switch - no visual feedback on darker stages, no tactile feedback at all. Good old PRS must've thought "oh, it's revolutionary, so I'll use it", completely neglecting that this was just one thing: utterly dumb.
There's nothing like a good old 3- or 5-way switch.

Yes! I never understood that thingy. I'm so used to the straty 5 way switches.

All the best, FRitz

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:06 am

fritzman wrote:
zeoy wrote:May I quote myself here just as a reminder to Rene or anyone else willing to comment ...

zeoy wrote:...My only concern is that with so much talk and efforts for the new-metal sound, clean or crunch amp models may not be in the same league (please tell me I am wrong Rene)
So you want it all, he???

Me greedy? Nah. For example I could survive without a nu-metal model

OK, OK. I confess. I

nu-metal

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:31 am

zeoy wrote: OK, OK. I confess. I nu-metal

Ah, you're the other one!

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:30 pm

zeoy wrote:May I quote myself here just as a reminder to Rene or anyone else willing to comment ...

zeoy wrote:...My only concern is that with so much talk and efforts for the new-metal sound, clean or crunch amp models may not be in the same league (please tell me I am wrong Rene)

Sorry, sometimes I oversee questions...

True, I am and was mostly concentating on distortion models.
Thats what I and many others of you mainly wanted.
I did a few clean ones, Twin and such and it was quite easy to do,
so I concentrated on the heavy models.
Than on the response to the playing, and, and,and...
Things like the 5150 are rather a challange for me.
But you guys ask indirectly for it, so why not.

btw. I will not stick any brand labels on the amp.

The mp3 compare thing was a bad idea,
to hear some people say its not "identical",
because because... little to grany, less mids ect. is simply frustrating and crazy.

First, Matts take you heard was at least 1 + another 1/4 guitar,
or 1 + 1 1/4 5150 and 2 Mesa cabs,
because his stereo track was NOT hard panned L+R.
Second, mine was "only" 1 guitar and 1 cab.

Head over here and listen how much the different cabs change the sound.
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/show ... matt+smith

mman · Post by **mman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:32 pm

zeoy wrote:...My only concern is that with so much talk and efforts for the new-metal sound, clean or crunch amp models may not be in the same league (please tell me I am wrong Rene)

Well if this is going to be a metal sound only thing, I will certainlly pass. Like you I'm more into clean or crunch amp models.
Anyway everybody is saying that heavy type is more difficult to replicate, so my guess would be, clean and crunch is an easy task..... really hope so....

ok while I was writing this Rene already answered...

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:33 pm

fritzman wrote: Ah, found it, 2100Euros at Amptown. Not toooo expensive. Have to go to the shop ...

Uh! They've been MUCH MUCH cheaper back then. A friend of mine has one, and he paid like around 1800 marks (!) for it. Sure, it's been like 8-10 years ago or so, but still... I mean, the € is ranking f**king great against the US$.
But then, maybe they updated that line, back then it's been the "cheap" department of PRS.

Killvehicle · Post by **Killvehicle** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:43 pm

I'm obviously late on this one and in no way am I reading 91 pages, I read the first 2 and last 2 and what I can say owning a 5150 combo, which IMO has way more tone than the 5150 head, these are some of the best amps for metal I have ever heard or owned, I have had it since 1996, and the power and saturation that comes stock in these amps is totally unparelleled, I'm sure some of the newer amps like Engl or Krank can deliver some similar type distortion, but this was the original and still easily holds it's own and with the right set of ttubes,like any amp, is absolutley incredible, if any sim comes close to this distortion and Saturation, I will be shocked.

cheul · Post by **cheul** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:44 pm

Midiworks wrote:
btw. I will not stick any brand labels on the amp.

The mp3 compare thing was a bad idea,
to hear some people say its not "identical",
because because... little to grany, less mids ect. is simply frustrating and crazy.

Exactly ! Now let's move on to another tone

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