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Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:24 pm

Bah. Clean tone is where it's at. Hi-gain is for the wimps. It's nothing but a way to hide their crap playing.

As for the actual sound... what are artists that have this "modern" hi-gain sound? I think of groups like System of a Down, and I can say that I don't see any mystery in their tone. What's great about SoaD is that the technique makes it heavy. Well, and the occasional baritone guitar.

The amp sims I've used already far exceed the "tone" (using the word loosely) found on Metallica's ...And Justice For All, which nevertheless seems to be a metal-head's definition of great distortion. Yuk. SoaD have a much better and more brutal sound.

Then there's Queens of the Stone Age, who are NOT metal (I'm not claiming they are), but yet have more balls, force, and urgency to their tone than practically any band out there. Lowish-output pickups and crunch tone. It's all about the attitude and style.

I know you're mainly joking about the clean tone thing, but the sound of a DI (about as "clean" as it gets!) is NOT anywhere close to be the same as the "Lenny"-style tone.

Greg

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:30 pm

First Lenny, then QOTSA ... I think I'm starting to like this Greg guy

BTW if you want that QOTSA tone to the max go check KYUSS (Josh was playing the guitars there too) Greg

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:15 pm

Very quickly done...

http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/zeoy2.mp3
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/zeoy3.mp3

zeoy, please dont get me wrong.

A good tone comes,
1. from the hands and attitude you play with
2. from the guitar
(pick ups & no old strings)
3. From the amp

Those THD files were a good exemple for that.

Sorry man, I am sure you can do better by now.
(better than 1 year ago)

btw, 2 of those exemple file links were played with a semi-electric.
You cant get that tone from a solid body.

prizo · Post by **prizo** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:24 pm

By suggesting SOAD and QOTSA it is clear that you are oblivious to the modern metal hi-gain sound.

Both are good bands, but are not using hi-gain metal tones.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:41 pm

prizo wrote:By suggesting SOAD and QOTSA it is clear that you are oblivious to the modern metal hi-gain sound.

Yes

prizo wrote:Both are good bands,

No

prizo wrote:but are not using hi-gain metal tones.

Yes

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:45 pm

Midiworks wrote:Very quickly done...

http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/zeoy2.mp3

Terrible!

Midiworks wrote: http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/zeoy3.mp3

Worse!

Oh boy ...

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:54 pm

Prizo:

Hence, I ASKED what you consider a good hi-gain sound. Try reading the post more carefully. In fact, I made it clear, -very- clear that I know QOTSA are not metal nor high gain. Are you illiterate?

SOAD seem to have a pretty good hi-gain sound. I wouldn't want any more gain than that. MY point, (which obviously got missed) wasn't to quote examples of hi-gain (which is why I asked for examples) but to show that brutal, punishing tone doesn't necessarily come from some teenager's bedroom definition of "modern" or "hi gain".

Sorry to be bitter, but read the f***ing post next time before you start calling someone oblivious. By screaming for this "modern hi-gain" sound that you keep going on about, you're showing me that you don't know what good tone is, period. Now, how about those examples I asked for of artists with such a sound. Either that, or STFU.

Greg

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:57 pm

Horrible, thats what I think too.

If you send that file into a THD it would'nt be much better, I am afraid...

here is the original file
http://www.show.gr/zeoy/pride.mp3

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:02 pm

Relax Greg,

don't take this here too serious. No tone is better than another one. There are only tones that do work in a certain context and do sound good then or not. If this is a Tele with a Twin for you or a heavy strat through a Diezel for me doesn't matter. None is "better". Because sound is NOT absolute.

All the best, FRitz

Sorry for the "yes" to the oblivious. I should have looked that up in my online dictionary before (didn't know that word). I just meant to say yes that you're obviously not into metal tones and I thought that this was the statement. OK?

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:06 pm

Don't worry fritz, I know you as a man that even if I had a difference of opinion on, we'd have an intelligent conversation about it. Prizo needed to read my post, and it's aggravating typing something and trying to be clear (ie. I made it VERY clear that I'm not a hi-gain expert and it was also very clear what I was saying about the two bands being discussed) and yet he tried to throw it back in my face without considering my words.

My initial post at the top of this page was JOKINGLY saying that clean tone is 'better'. I like nice dirty tones, too.

My response to Prizo was that he's obviously got the blinders on so tightly to the sides of his head that he's unable to see the beauty and destruction to be found in other tones. I'd hate to ever limit myself to being a one-trick pony like that.

Greg

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:11 pm

Midiworks wrote:Horrible, thats what I think too.
If you send that file into a THD it would'nt be much better, I am afraid...

here is the original file
http://www.show.gr/zeoy/pride.mp3

Oh, you don't have to be afraid. Why not use something like this next time:

I was told they do sound better for clean sounds. And I agree. But yes, it's in the fingers and the attitude ...

All the best, FRitz

P.S. The "terrible" and "worse" was meant about the "amp" part of the sound, not the playing.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:12 pm

Cool Greg, I totally understand you.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:21 pm

fritzman wrote:P.S. The "terrible" and "worse" was meant about the "amp" part of the sound, not the playing.

Than you just dont get it... sorry.

~BURNY~ · Post by **~BURNY~** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:23 pm

Some tests with the "pride" file. I don't consider it to be good but ok...
The main difference is it doesn't have that "scratchy" sound if you see what I mean.
http://www.mytempdir.com/381993

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:28 pm

Midiworks wrote:
fritzman wrote:P.S. The "terrible" and "worse" was meant about the "amp" part of the sound, not the playing.
Than you just dont get it... sorry.

Oh, cool. In the case that you wouldn't care to explain what you're talking about that you think that I don't get I'm sorry too.

All the best, FRitz

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