Midiworks,
It sounds interesting; I would try it if you make the price attractive for KVR members.
regards, Jack
Guitar players, The soundclick MP3 demo page got updated !
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 23 Oct, 2005 from Louisiana, USA
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- KVRian
- 1442 posts since 30 May, 2005
Much better. What did you use?~BURNY~ wrote:Some tests with the "pride" file. I don't consider it to be good but ok...
The main difference is it doesn't have that "scratchy" sound if you see what I mean.
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In the end will be the word.
Check out some of my music at www.fritzmetal.de
Check out some of my music at www.fritzmetal.de
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- KVRist
- 144 posts since 20 Sep, 2005 from AB, Canada
SOAD's sound is niether brutal nor punishing.Lunch Money wrote: but to show that brutal, punishing tone doesn't necessarily come from some teenager's bedroom definition of "modern" or "hi gain".
Perhaps compared to SRV it is.
The amp plays a massive role in tone. At least as much as the player himself. Thats why we are all in this thread trying to influence the tones that midiworks is going for.
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- KVRian
- 1442 posts since 30 May, 2005
The one that's already available to the public?~BURNY~ wrote:A very corporate plugin...(v2.0)
In the end will be the word.
Check out some of my music at www.fritzmetal.de
Check out some of my music at www.fritzmetal.de
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
prizo, you and I just have different definitions. If you're serious about your assessment of SOAD's tone, then I'm still waiting for example bands to compare to so that I can say, "aaahhhh, you're right, compared to 'Band X', it IS pretty weak."
I think SOAD's guitarist has awesome, thick, punishing tone, at least in the tracks I've heard. I don't own their albums, but I like what I've heard in terms of being sonically interesting, and the guitar riffs are pretty damn thick. If you think that they're barely scratching the surface of thick and brutal, then I'm still curious to know what you think is better. You're still avoiding the question and hiding behind criticism and petty judgement rather than providing concrete and productive examples.
What ARE the current rage of hi-gain bands right now? Who's popular and/or "legit" according to the fans of that kind of music?
As for the SRV comment, many of his tones, despite being overdrive-based (ie. not hi-gain) are massive. Even guitarists who aren't fans of his can surely recognize the enormity and balls of his tone. Tone so thick you gotta eat it with a fork. I'm going to be sorely disappointed if your definition of a big, punishing tone equates to a "hornet's nest" of buzzy distortion.
Greg
I think SOAD's guitarist has awesome, thick, punishing tone, at least in the tracks I've heard. I don't own their albums, but I like what I've heard in terms of being sonically interesting, and the guitar riffs are pretty damn thick. If you think that they're barely scratching the surface of thick and brutal, then I'm still curious to know what you think is better. You're still avoiding the question and hiding behind criticism and petty judgement rather than providing concrete and productive examples.
What ARE the current rage of hi-gain bands right now? Who's popular and/or "legit" according to the fans of that kind of music?
As for the SRV comment, many of his tones, despite being overdrive-based (ie. not hi-gain) are massive. Even guitarists who aren't fans of his can surely recognize the enormity and balls of his tone. Tone so thick you gotta eat it with a fork. I'm going to be sorely disappointed if your definition of a big, punishing tone equates to a "hornet's nest" of buzzy distortion.
Greg
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- KVRian
- 937 posts since 19 Nov, 2004 from Chicago IL, motherfuckers
Ever hear Crowbar they have punishing thick tone, HOw bout any # of Death Metal bands, SOAD, is not a heavy sound at all, it is that Marshall sound, and while it is good it is not HI-GAIN
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Ah. So nobody who uses Marshalls are getting hi-gain tones. 
I'll check into Crowbar, though. As for Death Metal, last time I checked, those were mostly bands with very weak hornet's nest tone that I was referring to. Slayer (were they Death Metal? There are so many kinds of metal...) were pretty good from the genre, but I can't identify many others, so that's not getting me very far and my own assessment of "mostly weak tones" isn't particularly informed yet.
Greg
I'll check into Crowbar, though. As for Death Metal, last time I checked, those were mostly bands with very weak hornet's nest tone that I was referring to. Slayer (were they Death Metal? There are so many kinds of metal...) were pretty good from the genre, but I can't identify many others, so that's not getting me very far and my own assessment of "mostly weak tones" isn't particularly informed yet.
Greg
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- KVRian
- 937 posts since 19 Nov, 2004 from Chicago IL, motherfuckers
Early ENtombed defined early European Death Metal,. I dont like it but it is huge. HOw bout Suffocation from Pierced From Within (1995) Ten years old but still a great big clear tone,, 10 times that of SOAD. 20 times, Its not even close, I think there is a whole realm of metal you dont know, Ever Hear of Dilinger Escape plan, they dont have a huge tone, it is fairly simple, but even that is heavier. I'll even give Slayers last one from 2001 "God hates us all" It is Slayer but thicker than usual, and they usally are running simple rigs with Marshalls and not much else
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- KVRist
- 488 posts since 2 Mar, 2004
While not always high gain, I find the sounds coming from Opeth quite inspiring, from clean to high gain, it works. From what I know they use Laney amps and a Boss GT6. That would be my benchmark.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Cool, well since Prizo wasn't up to the task and you've covered for him, I'll have to take that as a starting list. I'll be sure to check those out so that I at least know what's being referred to as "massive" distortion.
Marshalls are certainly still an amp to deliver punishment. In my opinion, most amps can't be much beyond 2:00 on the gain knob before note clarity and articulation begins to deteriorate. Then the rest comes from a combination of technique, layering, and other production techniques. If we're listening to demos of tones that haven't been layered, we're not really making a fair comparison when some of the best "heavy" sounds on albums are due to layering with relatively low gain.
(ie. lower than people would think... certainly not "clean" or even "crunch", though.
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Marshalls are certainly still an amp to deliver punishment. In my opinion, most amps can't be much beyond 2:00 on the gain knob before note clarity and articulation begins to deteriorate. Then the rest comes from a combination of technique, layering, and other production techniques. If we're listening to demos of tones that haven't been layered, we're not really making a fair comparison when some of the best "heavy" sounds on albums are due to layering with relatively low gain.
(ie. lower than people would think... certainly not "clean" or even "crunch", though.
)
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- KVRian
- 937 posts since 19 Nov, 2004 from Chicago IL, motherfuckers
NOt quite what I'm saying, but MOst Marshalls are not that HI-gain,, they usually need help,, I personally run guitar-to amp (5150) and I need no extra pedals to get what I want. Beside the Triple Super Lead, I dont find Marshall is all about HI-GAIN.Lunch Money wrote:Ah. So nobody who uses Marshalls are getting hi-gain tones.
I'll check into Crowbar, though. As for Death Metal, last time I checked, those were mostly bands with very weak hornet's nest tone that I was referring to. Slayer (were they Death Metal? There are so many kinds of metal...) were pretty good from the genre, but I can't identify many others, so that's not getting me very far and my own assessment of "mostly weak tones" isn't particularly informed yet.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Well, in general, Marshall's reputation is not strictly "hi-gain", no. Who could argue? Marshalls have still been known for many heavy (ie. beyond just "hard rock") tones still, but certainly not to the degree of, say, the Rectifiers or the 5150.
Greg
Marshalls have still been known for many heavy (ie. beyond just "hard rock") tones still, but certainly not to the degree of, say, the Rectifiers or the 5150.Greg
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- KVRian
- 937 posts since 19 Nov, 2004 from Chicago IL, motherfuckers
Lunch Money
Exactly I even turn down my gain to record becasue of this fact, but while I am jamming I need the extra gain, to get that sound I want from one guitar,not layered, thats where Marshall's leave me dry.
I think we are writing at the same time!!!
Marshalls are certainly still an amp to deliver punishment. In my opinion, most amps can't be much beyond 2:00 on the gain knob before note clarity and articulation begins to deteriorate. Then the rest comes from layering. If we're listening to demos of tones that haven't been layered, we're not really making a fair comparison when some of the best "heavy" sounds on albums are due to layering with relatively low gain
Exactly I even turn down my gain to record becasue of this fact, but while I am jamming I need the extra gain, to get that sound I want from one guitar,not layered, thats where Marshall's leave me dry.
I think we are writing at the same time!!!