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Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:37 pm

fritzman wrote:Now listen to this and try to make THAT crunch sound!

crunch_guitars_fritzman.mp3

Again: Which amp?

Thats not a real challenge...
This one from Killvehicle is:
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/challenge.mp3

But if you want, send the dry DI take and 1 track of the stand-alone amp recording.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:39 pm

I'm still waiting for bell-like blues tone. <laff>

Jeez, we sure like to ask for a lot, don't we. <grin>

Rene-- I agree, your first sound passing through a convolution reverb or something like RoomVerbM2 would do the trick. I'd rather have it something added after than something I can't take away.

Cheul-- I'm listening to samples from "Steal This Album" and the sound IS warmer. I like it, too. The warmth means that it's not quite as skull-crushing, but it IS a great sound.

I just listened to the Challenge MP3, and I can say that I'm not too worried if you can emulate it. It's either 2 amps cascading into one another, 2 amps layered but not panned far apart from one another, or a pedal driving an already high-gain amp, from the sounds of it. Just a guess, though. In either case, it's about to fall apart!

I love the "falling apart" sound that Neil Young has, but for hi-gain I like it tighter-sounding. Is there a partly-cocked wah in there?

It's not terrible, but I'm not sure that it's the tone to chase.

Speaking of chasing: I didn't want to look like I brushed off the idea of high-gain metal and did some research of my own, with recommendations from a friend to listen to Meshuggah, Mystic Circle (myspace link), and Nefarium. Not Death Metal, but Black Metal. The common thread was that they also seem to back down the gain a bit. The person giving the recommendation also indicated that at least for Black Metal, backing off the gain a touch is a good idea. I wasn't looking for that, to be honest, I was hoping to find a band where I could say, "Now THIS is what I think you guys were thinking of!" but at the end of the day, "back off on the gain" still seemed to be the order of the day for metal.

Greg

[edited because I keep calling Death Metal "Black Metal" and vice-versa]

kilroy · Post by **kilroy** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:40 pm

fritzman wrote:Now listen to this and try to make THAT crunch sound!

crunch_guitars_fritzman.mp3

Again: Which amp?

No idea, mate...but I'm definately loving that sound.

chrishurley · Post by **chrishurley** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:47 pm

Seems a good time to repeat: tune down to C or B and everything sounds immediately heavier. :)

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:49 pm

Always worth repeating, Chris.

Fritz's crunch sound was awesome. It would be the core of any good "hi-gain" layered sound, in my opinion. Combine that with a true "high gain" setting to add some of that string noise and "hollow treble" (again, can't figure out how to describe it) attack, and you're golden.

Greg

chrishurley · Post by **chrishurley** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:50 pm

I'm supposed to be out in the shop doing amp stuff, but its cold and I keep getting these emails that someone has replied to this thread. Is there a support group for wasting time on this thread? 12 step program? :)

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:51 pm

Just turn off notify.

cheul · Post by **cheul** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:58 pm

Fritzman, could you do the layering work Greg suggested ? I'd be interested in hearing the result. This crunch is indeed VERY cool. (and I'm not a crunch fan usually)

MrM · Post by **MrM** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:07 pm

EDIT - Sacha already figured it out, I guess...

prizo · Post by **prizo** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:24 pm

Midiworks wrote:As promissed.
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/HighGain2R2.mp3

Thanks Killvehicle !!!

I will buy your product.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:28 pm

There's something prizo and I agree on now.

That demo really showed what it was capable of. A bit of "room" sound and it would practically match the second part.

prizo · Post by **prizo** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:36 pm

Lunch Money wrote:Prizo-- Your tone, once it was layered, was pretty damn good. I just tried listening to it back-to-back with the clips you showed. I admit, the clips you posted have a bit more 'immediacy' than the ones with the sim, but I can't help suspecting that has more to do with the overall "sheen" that comes from good ears, a mix engineer, and a person to master the song.

I agree that a pro engineer can, obviously, add a lot to a sound/mix/song.

The POD is funny... I think it sounds pretty good in that clip, but if I palm mute the A string, or even fretted notes it get more 'twangy'. Same with chords that arent based on the low-E string... they get twangy.

I think its a Marshall model then layered with a Rectifier.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:39 pm

Lunch Money wrote:Always worth repeating, Chris.

Fritz's crunch sound was awesome. It would be the core of any good "hi-gain" layered sound, in my opinion. Combine that with a true "high gain" setting to add some of that string noise and "hollow treble" (again, can't figure out how to describe it) attack, and you're golden.

Greg

cheul wrote:Fritzman, could you do the layering work Greg suggested ? I'd be interested in hearing the result. This crunch is indeed VERY cool. (and I'm not a crunch fan usually)

Hm,

I'm not sure if I understand the request. Same 2 guitars through an additional high gain amp?

Best wishes, FRitz

prizo · Post by **prizo** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:41 pm

Killvehicle wrote:go here and check out my stuff. http://www.soundclick.com/worldofshit

LOL... sure dont waste any time gettin' right into the song, eh?

Guitars sound good, but the style isn't my type of thing. I'm not into blast beats and death vocals. But I can tell you have guitar skills.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:44 pm

Prizo-- does the POD feature the same "hum reducer" that the TonePort does? If so, I've found that due to reducing harmonic content in certain frequencies, it makes some actual notes sound odd.

Fritz-- that's pretty much what I was getting at; however, not to add a distorted track to a high-gain amp, but rather to use the clean version on an additional high-gain amp.

Greg

Guitar players, The soundclick MP3 demo page got updated !