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[Glassback]

I'm working on some long-form soundscape pieces with OPlat, stuff you wouldn't think you'd use a pattern-based sequencer for...

For the long-form stuff, do you create, say, a 999 length pattern for each generator and just play into it in "song mode"?

I do.
You can go above 999 as well, you know.
In my most recent tune (Emotions) for instance, I used loops that measured 1,408.

[Glassback]

the events window dock and lock with the playlist

Yes indeed. Would make life a lot easier.

That screws me up so bad, not knowing where I am in the event editor/timeline I hardly ever f**k with it..

Doesn't anyone just record their automation and be done with it? I almost never look at the graph unless it is something that I need to be very precise about, in which case it is invariably simple to find the right spot and tweak the recorded event data. Sure, it looks all over the place when you see it in the graph but if it sounds Ok that shouldn't be a problem.

Yes, midi learn is good if you have a controller keyboard. I have, but not everybody has.
But even so, it'd be easier to perform intricate operations if there was a realistic correlation between the graph and the actual events. I kinda try to stretch the playlist and the events graph to similar proportions and then try to line them up as closely as possible but it's not a satisfactory solution at the end of the day.
I might, for instance, want to pan only the last note in a section - pinpoint accuracy that realtime knob-twiddling can't perform as well as I can by eye. Having the playlist and events editor in visual unison just makes sense to me.

[Kriminal]

I'm working on some long-form soundscape pieces with OPlat, stuff you wouldn't think you'd use a pattern-based sequencer for...

For the long-form stuff, do you create, say, a 999 length pattern for each generator and just play into it in "song mode"?

you can create pattern much longer than that, but the display only has 3 digits. If you double click on it, you can make the pattern as long as you want.

[BONES]

Yes, midi learn is good if you have a controller keyboard. I have, but not everybody has.

I don't use my controller to record, I just tweak the GUI knobs/sliders with my mouse.

But even so, it'd be easier to perform intricate operations if there was a realistic correlation between the graph and the actual events. I kinda try to stretch the playlist and the events graph to similar proportions and then try to line them up as closely as possible but it's not a satisfactory solution at the end of the day.

As I said, I hardly ever do it but I just tried it out then I had to zoom the Event Editor out 3 clicks and the Playlist ince before they were exactly the same resolution. Once I did that I could open any number of new Event Editors for any instrument and they were perfect straight-up. I could even close that song, create a new one, add instruments and have their Event Editors open at the right zoom level. Tha tmeans you should only need to do once per session at most and it will always be right thereafter.
I'm not saying that it couldn't be better, just that its nowhere near as bad as people make out.

[Glassback]

Well, I've got by so far without that feature.
OTOH, if it was there, I'd be far more inclined to make use of the song events editor. As it is, I tend to put it off or forget it most of the time.
It's not the end of the world, but I do think it'd be a priceless feature. I guess that'd be especially true for the soundscapists, but I do find myself oft-times thinking "it'd be good if I did x or y" and then not. It can be done and I have done it, but I do think that if the song events were displayed in much the same way as the pattern events (with maybe a click to drop the editor open for each track so as it's not encumbering the song playlist on each channel, which would look naff), it'd be easier.

That, and the time thing being displayed as part of the traction bar. That's only a minor gripe, really, but it's amazing how many times it's niggled me.

[Saukar30]

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This is done in Orion 5.8. Lovely little ghetto Jazz cut off of my CD, Autopilot.

This is really basic instrumentation. I didn't get crazy with too much automation besides individual note variation. Orion PLat is just as good as any other sequencer it's all in how you use it.

Personally, from all the great free synths & patches & songs I got on my computer, if I get another update my computer's gonna just stop giving me pleasure like an old wife. But can;t no one complain about free. Rich does a very good job and enables writers like myself to get out our ideas. ALl I had to spend was like $600 for Orion & Sampletank and I'm doing the music I would've never done if they weren't around. If anybody wanted to make Orion their main sequencer (ain;t there shouldn't be a reaosnw hy they couldn't) you could make the same if not superior music that you currently do.

Food for thought from a broke musician...just do it.

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

I'm working on some long-form soundscape pieces with OPlat, stuff you wouldn't think you'd use a pattern-based sequencer for...

For the long-form stuff, do you create, say, a 999 length pattern for each generator and just play into it in "song mode"?

What I do is make several patterns that are about 65-128 long for my background instruments and mouse in the notes, except for the drums where I tend to stick to 16-32 length patterns. These form the bed of the track.

THEN I make a freaking long pattern and play the lead and/or secondary instruments in live with what's left of my PCR-80.

Works a treat, at least for me!