bmanic, I do not see a problem with all those enhancements present in Marquis. Of course, you may use the 'Classic' level detector together with the 'Clean' coloration mode to get minimal enhancement.
In fact, it will be really interesting for me to hear how Waves' thing sounds. From my experience, T3 of Marquis gives 'that' compressed drum bus sound, but I like T1 better because of its way to preserve punch. It will be interesting to hear if Waves' model is going to sound better than Marquis' T3. Otherwise I do not see anything productive in all that 'SSL' hype. Even though the original SSL Mixbus timing schematic looked interesting to me it is still pretty simplistic - maybe only one step up from a basic first-order attack/release envelope follower.
Waves and SSL
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
You guys clearly need your humour chip replaced...glaucomys wrote:championrabbit wrote:No way, Jose!snooky wrote:Waves suck, and so does SSL.championrabbit wrote:Pretty retarded to judge it before hearing it...
it's scientifically proven.
Waves Trueverb 'guitar room' is the finest of all tiny-room reverbs!
I have a folder-full of evidence to support this claim, and my best friend (who is a Pro record producer of Pro bands in a Pro studio and probably recorded Bon Jovi and Jefferson Starship Troopers or something) said that in Pro studios they don't use real rooms at all, only Waves plugins.
That goes for compressors too apparently.
Anyway, YOU ARE WRONG!
Haha... Pro studios only use WAVES!!??? LOL!!!
Man... I guess I'm not a pro and have never worked at a pro studio... heheh...
PRO - Engineers, use the room and everything or anything to get the sound they are after, that is the real fact.
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- KVRAF
- 11386 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Well, the only problem with marquis enhancement comes when you end up with many of them in series so having an option to remove the 'tone' and keep the compression would be a huge benefit. Anyhow, I agree with you about the SSL. I do however understand the hype, as I've heard a live thing do it's magic. It is a very good glue compressor. Hitting the gain reduction meter with less than 2dB can already make quite a dramatic effect on the mix and how it 'glues' elements together but then again, the same is true with marquis, which is why I like it so much on the drum bus.Aleksey Vaneev wrote:bmanic, I do not see a problem with all those enhancements present in Marquis. Of course, you may use the 'Classic' level detector together with the 'Clean' coloration mode to get minimal enhancement.
In fact, it will be really interesting for me to hear how Waves' thing sounds. From my experience, T3 of Marquis gives 'that' compressed drum bus sound, but I like T1 better because of its way to preserve punch. It will be interesting to hear if Waves' model is going to sound better than Marquis' T3. Otherwise I do not see anything productive in all that 'SSL' hype. Even though the original SSL Mixbus timing schematic looked interesting to me it is still pretty simplistic - maybe only one step up from a basic first-order attack/release envelope follower.
Cheers!
bManic
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
bManic, what kind of problem do you experience when using Marquis in series?
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- KVRian
- 954 posts since 15 Dec, 2000 from NY,NY,USA
Their last 2 offerings(the Guitar thing and Vocal thing)only have the VST Waveshell and do not show up as Dir-X in Dir-X capable hosts,but they are native RTAS though.I don't know if this is the direction their headed in or it's just those 2 plugs.championrabbit wrote:But all Waves stuff is DirX, non? Their VST plugs are merely rapped DirX plugs...
"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal." - Albert Einstein
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- KVRAF
- 20910 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
My understanding is that the compressor & both channels will list at $800 as a native bundle, meaning it'll probably be selling for around $599.
Aleksey & Bmanic, have either of you done a comparison between Marquis & the Sonalksis or the real hardware? btw, my personal opinion is that the Alan Smart C1 should be the gauge, not the real SSL. The C1 has that "money" sound & isn't at all neutral.
Aleksey & Bmanic, have either of you done a comparison between Marquis & the Sonalksis or the real hardware? btw, my personal opinion is that the Alan Smart C1 should be the gauge, not the real SSL. The C1 has that "money" sound & isn't at all neutral.
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
(sorry to jump on bmanics answer, but I know exactly what he means as I pointed this out to him)Aleksey Vaneev wrote:bManic, what kind of problem do you experience when using Marquis in series?
And I also know you know what I'm about to say already, as I asked you about this earlier.
Basically the summing is a problem with, say, multitrack drum mixing and any parallel processing with marquis. It's great you added the dry mix in marquis so it doesn affect a whole lot of things.
If it only stopped there... Basically, if you run two marquis compressors in series (a great practise in drums or vocals), the phase effect doubles. It might even sound good like this, like in a recent mix of mine. Basically it makes the bass region sound a bit sloppy, which may be a good thing, but maybe only 50% of the time.
So a switch to turn off the phase bass enhancement would be logical thing for these isolated cases. Then again maybe 80% of the time I'd have it on.
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- KVRian
- 683 posts since 16 Aug, 2004
$599?
You can build them for less!
http://www.colourofsound.8088.org/pics/comps.jpg
So we did!
As for the Eq , well given a choice I never used SSL Eq anyway.....
*grins*
GFX
You can build them for less!
http://www.colourofsound.8088.org/pics/comps.jpg
So we did!
As for the Eq , well given a choice I never used SSL Eq anyway.....
*grins*
GFX
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- KVRAF
- 2685 posts since 14 Jul, 2005 from Australia
My guess is that the SSL eq will be totally full of character which is something I've come to dislike these days. For instance, when toying with the Sonalksis EQ initially I was amazed at what it did to the sound, especially the low end. So using the demo version (love 30 day trials), I remixed an entire track of mine replacing all Kjaerhus GEQs (which are Pultec like, very smooth) with Sonalksis (character EQ). The results weren't to my liking, it ended up sounding a lot less natural, it kinda sounded harsh to me.
Not taking anything away from the EQ, just giving an opinion. I prefer the GEQ to all EQs for bread and butter EQs and reach for the GlissEQ (which is even more transparent) when the GEQ seems harsh.
btw, I know exactly what you folks are talking about with the phase problems. This is the reason the GCO1 and GPP1 is all I use on drums. It gets far too complex remembering which sounds will be out of phase, especially when doing parallel compression.
The price tag of the new Waves stuff is incredibly high, probly because they can say that SSL worked with them to produce the plugins. But even for Waves, that's EXPENSIVE ! w0w
Cheers
Fots
Not taking anything away from the EQ, just giving an opinion. I prefer the GEQ to all EQs for bread and butter EQs and reach for the GlissEQ (which is even more transparent) when the GEQ seems harsh.
btw, I know exactly what you folks are talking about with the phase problems. This is the reason the GCO1 and GPP1 is all I use on drums. It gets far too complex remembering which sounds will be out of phase, especially when doing parallel compression.
The price tag of the new Waves stuff is incredibly high, probly because they can say that SSL worked with them to produce the plugins. But even for Waves, that's EXPENSIVE ! w0w
Cheers
Fots
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- KVRist
- 207 posts since 25 Apr, 2004
Oh dang! my bad... it is amazing how dry my mind can get when working for 20hrs straight, hehe... it is funny now thoughchampionrabbit wrote:You guys clearly need your humour chip replaced...glaucomys wrote:championrabbit wrote:No way, Jose!snooky wrote:Waves suck, and so does SSL.championrabbit wrote:Pretty retarded to judge it before hearing it...
it's scientifically proven.
Waves Trueverb 'guitar room' is the finest of all tiny-room reverbs!
I have a folder-full of evidence to support this claim, and my best friend (who is a Pro record producer of Pro bands in a Pro studio and probably recorded Bon Jovi and Jefferson Starship Troopers or something) said that in Pro studios they don't use real rooms at all, only Waves plugins.
That goes for compressors too apparently.
Anyway, YOU ARE WRONG!
Haha... Pro studios only use WAVES!!??? LOL!!!
Man... I guess I'm not a pro and have never worked at a pro studio... heheh...
PRO - Engineers, use the room and everything or anything to get the sound they are after, that is the real fact.
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- KVRist
- 187 posts since 20 Jul, 2004
I take it that this statement is based on many hours of working experience with that SSL desk you just happen to have sitting around in your living room?snooky wrote:Waves suck, and so does SSL
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
Kingston, OK, I understand that 'sloppy' sound. But I may expect it to sound sloppy if you run 4 instances in series. With only 2 instances in series it hardly becomes a problem.
I plan to make Clean coloration & Classic detector mode to work like an ordinary compressor - without any phase coloration. Maybe I can also add a switch to force phase linearisation (but this may require additional CPU resources and may increase latency by 8-16 samples).
I plan to make Clean coloration & Classic detector mode to work like an ordinary compressor - without any phase coloration. Maybe I can also add a switch to force phase linearisation (but this may require additional CPU resources and may increase latency by 8-16 samples).
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- Banned
- 4026 posts since 27 Jan, 2004
of course!pilgrim_heart wrote:I take it that this statement is based on many hours of working experience with that SSL desk you just happen to have sitting around in your living room?snooky wrote:Waves suck, and so does SSL
do you think I'm some kind of dimwit?
