KVR Audio

martian · Post by **martian** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:42 pm

bmanics post just got me thinking.

currently i manually add vinyl noise to most my tracks. i find the more minimal and open sounding the more important a little bit of subtle noise is. without it subjectively mixes can feel like they lack intimacy, like a cold bottomless pit of dynamic range.

anyway, itd be great if there was a plug that modulated noise according to signal input in various ways to make it feel more 'attached', similar to the effect of bitcrushing but without the quality loss.

does anything like this exist already?

thanks,

fac · Post by **fac** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:53 pm

You could try mixing a subsampled/bitcrushed signal with the original. Or add some reverb and place a bitcrusher after the reverb.

Noise is easy to add. The trick is making it sound "natural".

dasdeck · Post by **dasdeck** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:04 pm

add noise at a higher level than deserved, then gate the whole signal with a gate that has floor. (just an idea).

D3CK

fac · Post by **fac** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:13 pm

Good idea, dasdeck. Another option would be to record air instead of adding artificial noise. Just set a mic to record in a room or in a street at night.

GreyLion · Post by **GreyLion** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:13 pm

I've never used this, because I'm still trying to get *cleaner*, but it's free, and it sounds like it's exactly what you're asking for: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/571.html

Take care,

GreyLion

martian · Post by **martian** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:23 pm

dasdeck wrote:add noise at a higher level than deserved, then gate the whole signal with a gate that has floor. (just an idea).

D3CK

would that not just control the noise in an on/off type manner? or is there some way to get the signal amplitude to smoothly control noise level.

GreyLion wrote:I've never used this, because I'm still trying to get *cleaner*, but it's free, and it sounds like it's exactly what you're asking for: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/571.html

Take care,

GreyLion

i am aware of that, but it doesnt seem any different to just adding sampled noise, as the noise isnt correlated to the source signal.

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:27 pm

The bitcrushed reverb trick is a good one. I tend to run stuff out to old cassettes and then record back in to the computer too, just for those little dropouts and magnetic imperfections.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:33 pm

Noise is just SOOOOOO much easier with hardware.

But seriously, there's oxo's freeware vintage plug

http://www.xoxos.net/vsti.html

Which has got to be better than plugging vintage oxo. Wha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

tuz · Post by **tuz** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:57 pm

not exactly what you're looking for but xoxos' servo is worth checking out also.

dasdeck · Post by **dasdeck** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:09 pm

martian wrote:
dasdeck wrote:add noise at a higher level than deserved, then gate the whole signal with a gate that has floor. (just an idea).

D3CK
would that not just control the noise in an on/off type manner? or is there some way to get the signal amplitude to smoothly control noise level.

i mean you let a specific amount of signal un-gated to leave a bit of noise at a desired amount (gate floor amount). as a gate alway operates kind of smooth (otherwise it would hecktikly jump around, wich is called histeris i think or sometihng like that),you can then adjust "smoothness" with attack(mybe onbly suitable in combinatuion with look ahead) and release and /or hold.
i suggest ultrafunk gate for that job, or the one in the nomad blue tubes bundle, also floorfish does it i think to remember, and as this is free, i suggest to check it out first if you dont have the others.

D3CK

martian · Post by **martian** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:25 pm

^^

ok thanks will look into this, not very experienced with gates.

regards,

jmh · Post by **jmh** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:30 am

I've gotten into the habit of adding stuff to drumbeats / loops that way. Even more so recently. It's an excellent way for adding something extra to them.

Most of the time it's just a long enough snippet of noise, following the dynamics of one or more of the percussive events, mixed fairly low. I've gathered tons of different noise samples from every imaginable source.

I guess for me it's the same as using convolution for things other than straightahead reverb is for some. There's always something new to explore, always a new kind of noise to be utilized.

C64 soundchip (the humm and whizz and other stuff it does), its noise oscillator, vinyl crackles, AM radio static, different "white noises" from tv screen displaying noise, wind, room "air" and different ambiences from various locations, buzz and hum from every imaginable piece of machinery that emits a steady racket of noise... artificial ambiences generated with feeding individual percussion sounds through extreme reverbs and taking little snippets from the reverb tails and triggering these bits in sync with the original beat, gated by the original sounds... the world's your oyster

There's even sample cds dedicated to us noise-o-holics nowadays

Regards,

JMH

dasdeck · Post by **dasdeck** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:36 pm

jmh wrote:... the world's your oyster

isn't oyster this fishy sauce?

what do you mean with that sentence?

thanks

D3CK

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:48 pm

Voxengo Lampthruster can add some noise.

Qubit · Post by **Qubit** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:16 pm

Don't know if this is being developed anymore but i've heard it's great for adding vinyl noise and other effects
http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/20 ... pdate.html

Plugin that adds noise?