which one of these reverbs would best suite ENYA's vocals

[annode]

Here is the same SX3 setup using the R66 reverb set to it`s "cathedral 1" preset.(didn`t ajust it at all)
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/mu ... rb_R66.mp3

The cathedral reverb sound is definately the Enya reverb sound...and the algorhythmic R66,with it`s low cpu draw,reproduces a very spectral reflection range!

Hey - would you have a dry version of the above so I could play with hit using my reverbs - thanks

Hi AVBunyan.

Sure.Here`s the mp3 I used.
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/mu ... _vocal.mp3
I took the track from my "Dead can Dance" cd...then selected one channel of it and overwrote it to the other channel,making it a MONO 2 track file.
I also "gated" out the verb trails of the DCD file,but no way to get it out completely.
You`ll hear that there is SOME verb on the file from the original track,but not too much.
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I also discovered that Enya uses a sorta compression effect on her voice as well as instruments.
It seems from my experimentation,that the compression is set so that it compresses down right after the sound has crested...creating a sharp down slope after the sound.

Listen to the DCD vocal and compare that with this;
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/mu ... riment.mp3
Also in this compressor experiment mp3 I also used a few other plugs pictured below;

-slot 1=DCD vocal player
-slot 3=graphic EQ for high freq crispness.(just to sweeten it a bit)
-slot4=Vociter compressor.(pictured plug at top)(setting it up took me along time!)
-slot5=Dynasone muti-band limitor.(smooths out a few peaks in the audio)
-slot7=PSP multitap delay.(creating a fast doubler for a stereo effect)
slot8=R66 reverb.(modified chapel effect)(not necessarily an Enya like reverb,was just experimenting)

Let my know if you hear the compression effect I did and if you think it resembles the Enya effect.

[AVBunyan]

Hi AVBunyan.

Sure.Here`s the mp3 I used.
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/mu ... _vocal.mp3
I took the track from my "Dead can Dance" cd...then selected one channel of it and overwrote it to the other channel,making it a MONO 2 track file.
I also "gated" out the verb trails of the DCD file,but no way to get it out completely.
You`ll hear that there is SOME verb on the file from the original track,but not too much.

Thanks annode - I like dry vocal tracks to learn reverbs with - I use Trueverb, Sonitus, Perfect Space, Waves IR-L.

Thanks again.

[annode]

Happy to give it to you AVBunyan.
I`m just getting used to understanding the R66...I should say JUST starting to. : )
I used to just use presets until this Enya post.
Now I see how versitile they can be.Been at the R66 for about 2 hrs straight today.hehe (have to read that darn manual!)
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Come on!!! No one have anything to say about the Enya compressor effect?

[AVBunyan]

Happy to give it to you AVBunyan.
1. I`m just getting used to understanding the R66...I should say JUST starting to. : )
I used to just use presets until this Enya post.
Now I see how versitile they can be.Been at the R66 for about 2 hrs straight today.hehe (have to read that darn manual!)
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2. Come on!!! No one have anything to say about the Enya compressor effect?

1. Who makes the R66?

2. Not real familar with Enya's music except what I've heard on the radio way back and not good with cmpressors at all so can't be much help here.

By the way the track sounds nice using Waves IR-l with the Stanford Memorial CHurch Impulse - long tails.

God bless

[annode]

This is R66;
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1715.html

You were clear about just being here for the vocal sample track,I understood that.
It just pisses me off that not even the poster of this thread is interested in talking about what ,besides a reverb type,and multiple overdubs,the Enya sound is all about.

Oh well.

[Eric Sundance]

slot 1=DCD vocal player
-slot 3=graphic EQ for high freq crispness.(just to sweeten it a bit)
-slot4=Vociter compressor.(pictured plug at top)(setting it up took me along time!)
-slot5=Dynasone muti-band limitor.(smooths out a few peaks in the audio)
-slot7=PSP multitap delay.(creating a fast doubler for a stereo effect)
slot8=R66 reverb.(modified chapel effect)(not necessarily an Enya like reverb,was just experimenting)

Wow, man you’re really digging deep!!! What a journey. I’m also trying to learn about enya vocal productions and I’m a bit confused…Could you please post your presets or settings that you used for each plugin (I hope I’m not asking for to much). It looks extremely elaborate. Thanks a lot for posting all your findings.

[kritikon]

It just pisses me off that not even the poster of this thread is interested in talking about what ,besides a reverb type,and multiple overdubs,the Enya sound is all about.

Sorry mate, but you have to like that type of sound to get into it. It's one of those styles you either love or hate...me, I hate it. Along with that Greek chap who makes tracks that all sound the same. I used to like it back when Valium was the thing. As for compresion - Enya'd be better if they used really really heavy ratios with no make-up gain...

Nowadays, on the rare occasion I ever use vocals, I'd cringe if I sounded remotely like Enya or the Greek chappie

[dlt123]

if you guys had to do mixing for ENYA which reverb plugin would you guys use for her vocals.

I have my ears on these three plugins.

1.Wavearts Masterverb
2.Artsacoustic Reverb
3.Sonic Flavours R66 Reverb (i find this rather weird but interesting)

which one would you guys recommend me ?

I'm really surprised noone mentioned the great tails that ArtAcoustic Reverb has. It's a really clean sounding reverb.

I have both the AAR and R66. I use R66 more than the AAR, but love both. I write Ambient music and find that R66 fits better for my music.

IMO, I think AAR would do better for vocals than R66, but YMMV. If you haven't played with AAR, you should check it out. Both are great reverbs.

Just my 2 cents.
DennisT

[daGuru]

Everyone raved about AAR, I took a listen and "meh" Maybe my ears aren't tainted from years of Lexicon use hehe

I mean, when I want reverb I want REAL reverb, ie. the closest thing to real sounds bouncing off real walls you can get and, in the past, this hasn't been possible even with $10,000 hardware, so bring on software innovation I say

And death to all over-priced crappy hardware

(ducks for cover)

[drinelli]

It just pisses me off that not even the poster of this thread is interested in talking about what ,besides a reverb type,and multiple overdubs,the Enya sound is all about.

Sorry mate, but you have to like that type of sound to get into it. It's one of those styles you either love or hate...me, I hate it. Along with that Greek chap who makes tracks that all sound the same. I used to like it back when Valium was the thing. As for compresion - Enya'd be better if they used really really heavy ratios with no make-up gain...

Nowadays, on the rare occasion I ever use vocals, I'd cringe if I sounded remotely like Enya or the Greek chappie

Vangelis you mean ? Say are you only familiar with his 70-80th stuff, look or listen at his 90ies: The City, 1492, and Voices. Would be really sad if you did not like those. .

[annode]

slot 1=DCD vocal player
-slot 3=graphic EQ for high freq crispness.(just to sweeten it a bit)
-slot4=Vociter compressor.(pictured plug at top)(setting it up took me along time!)
-slot5=Dynasone muti-band limitor.(smooths out a few peaks in the audio)
-slot7=PSP multitap delay.(creating a fast doubler for a stereo effect)
slot8=R66 reverb.(modified chapel effect)(not necessarily an Enya like reverb,was just experimenting)

Wow, man you’re really digging deep!!! What a journey. I’m also trying to learn about enya vocal productions and I’m a bit confused…Could you please post your presets or settings that you used for each plugin (I hope I’m not asking for to much). It looks extremely elaborate. Thanks a lot for posting all your findings.

Cool,some feedback. : )
Hi Eric Sundance

The only important vst in that setup,for the Enya vocal experiment was the "voxciter"(pictured above).
It was hell trying to set it so it did a sorta "expander" thing on the vocal track I used.
I`m yet to discover a decent vst expander/compressor.
The voxciter was...so far...the only one I have tried that does that.
An expander`s ratio goes to the opposite of a compressor.
It`s effect is to open when it sees sound rather then close up like a compressor.
It gives a sorta rhythmic,flowing sound that I like.
I`ll have to start a thread asking what expanders ppl know about and see if I can find one easier to setup.

Hey ..if you have all the vst shown,and have chainer as a host for them...i`ll be glad to send you the .fxp Eric .
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I think the Greek new age guy kritikon was refering to is Yanni.
My interest in Enya is from a production standpoint.(Nicky Ryan)
Enya does what she does...that`s fine with me,it`s listenable to me at times...production wise,very interesting.
I hate new age music...and Yanni can fall off the earth for all I care.haha

My involvement in this thread is to analyze the enya/ryan studio tricks...ya know,that wall of sound and the articulations done in the productions.

I find it all very interesting...and it`s getting me to spend more time twiddling with reverb and expanders...that`s a good thing for me! : )

[annode]

Everyone raved about AAR, I took a listen and "meh" Maybe my ears aren't tainted from years of Lexicon use hehe

I mean, when I want reverb I want REAL reverb, ie. the closest thing to real sounds bouncing off real walls you can get and, in the past, this hasn't been possible even with $10,000 hardware, so bring on software innovation I say

And death to all over-priced crappy hardware

(ducks for cover)

I haven`t heard the AAR yet,but I doubt it`s anybetter then the R66 since the algorithm is the newest thing.
I like convolutions alot also...but it`s sorta more trouble then I want to get into using them in tracks.
I also have an inexpensive lexicon MPX 200.
I haven`t really dabled into it too much yet,but im gonna see if I can muster up a soft editor for it somewhere and do that.
If not,I can set some of it`s parameters to my oxygen controller and have a go with it to see just what it can do.

Hardware reverbs are a pain in the ass to incorporate into say cubase without bouncing tracks and all...but hey...we`ll see.

[catinthehat]

I believe this effect was originally used for Enya's sibling's Clannad albums, like 'Magical Ring'.
I didn't know there were so many 'dubs involved but it would explain the build up of breath noise that makes an important part of the sound (for me anyway). I suggest some way of catching the high breathy sound. It also sounds to me like an aural exciter is used, what do you think?

[drinelli]

Annode Wrote:

I think the Greek new age guy kritikon was refering to is Yanni.
My interest in Enya is from a production standpoint.(Nicky Ryan)
Enya does what she does...that`s fine with me,it`s listenable to me at times...production wise,very interesting.
I hate new age music...and Yanni can fall off the earth for all I care.haha

Ok, If that was what Kritikon was refering too, I can understand. But would you not consider Enya to be New Age, Or maybe it is Techno-Folk, ( Did I invent Something New here ?), but I think this discussion to be wery interesting. I am currious if this layering of sound, would it not involve some kind of noise removal. You should think that this would introduce lots of artefacts.

[Eric Sundance]

Hi annode,

The only plugin that I have is Voxciter . I bought it two years ago and don’t use it any longer so would be cool to get it back into action. Unfortunately, at this point I can’t affort
to buy any other plugin from your list but I still would like to know all your settings so that maybe I can replicate them with some other plugins or I will keep it as a part of my study until I can buy all other plugins.

You tought me few things already. THANKS