[EDIT: Waiting for an answer from Beno to my PM]
Well, I tend to think that it's a sucky situation. However I just can understand not to have the bundled thingies like RMIV and such due to commercial partnership but I would just like to have an explanation for the in-house plugins. C'mon Mackie, this is just proprietary software. You don't have extra-cost if you give them to the legacy Raw Material Software users because it's the word: you bought us with Tracktion.
And these plugins only work with Tracktion so what's the deal? You don't even let us the opportunity to buy them for an extra fee! Personally, I don't mind buying them online. It will just avoid to put me if this crazy situation where I'd have to buy the BOXED version to have the door back open to my upgrade and extra plugins.
Well. Maybe I should after all but it's just crazy. I don't care about most of the bundled plugins (I have Battery 2, and I don't play guitar !) but I do pay attention to my future upgrade availability with full package!
Are you nuts thinking that users can afford 199 euros just for that???
As I said in my MP, we are your primary salesmen. How many folks did I push to buy Mackie stuff ? How many for Tracktion through real life chats, forum and such?
That's a marketing and sales fact but, for Tracktion, it has a special echo as we all know the genesis of this tool and his brave history.
I know we have kind of privileges but eh, I paid my 90 $ to have it !
T1 was far from being perfect and our comments did help to improve it to T2. Do you remember that there was no special limitations and what about the NFR version??? I don't know many others companies (not to say none) giving a software for free when it's a reliable and in-place tool !
Then T2 was out as a worldwide package but we had the opportunity to get it at 20 $. All in all, it's like if we bought T2 for 90$ without the bundled things.
That's a fair price, because it's a bit more expensive than the T1 price.
WE DONT ASK FOR THE BUNDLED PLUGINS, JUST THE EXTRA MACKIE PLUGINS, for having a logic and fair continuity in the upgrades.
New Plug ins just for the boxed?!?!?!??!?!
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- KVRist
- 276 posts since 8 Feb, 2004 from France
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- KVRAF
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
Beno is at NAMM in the US at the moment
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
you got your MP to contackt Benooxbee wrote:[EDIT: Waiting for an answer from Beno to my MP]
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
Yes, that's why I wrote:valley wrote:The problem some people have though, and IMHO it is an entirely legitimate gripe, is that in the US we all got a steal, whereas outside of the US, if you can find T at all, it is typically far more expensive and there was no boxed upgrade deal to take away the pain.rockstar_not wrote: That was the price difference - boxed buyers and upgraders paid quite a lot of money to get the extra plugins.
Ideally Mackie should make some kind of upgrade offer to non-US residents, and then anyone who choses to stay with the upgrade only deal can quit whining when they don't get the red carpet. Right now though, I think a lot of people are just wanting Mackie to meet them halfway.
Lets just hope the distribution model is a little more polished come T3.
Anyway, that's enough soapboxing; back to homework.
up a little ways in the thread.rockstar_not wrote:I can understand why some are upset - seems like there should be a way to upgrade 'all the way', except that the Sampletank SE, Amplitube and RMIV are likely too big for a DL upgrade - would need to still buy a box with CDs in it - making the prospects of shipping into countries like the aforementioned Croatia likely very expensive.
-back to music.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I'm a big fan of the Rheostatics. It's no exaggeration for me to say that I've convinced 6 other people to become fans (who in turn purchased many CD's due to my word of mouth), and I have no idea how many other people I MAY have convinced, or how many people my 6 friends (well, 1 sister) got into them, either. Concert sales, too, since I've had lots of friends go to 8 or so different concerts by them.
Somewhere along the way, I never purchased the CDs to replace my cassettes of "Melville" and "Whale Music." Honestly, with all the money and publicity I've given the Rheostatics, plus the fact that I've already purchased prior versions of Melville and Whale Music, I should be given copies of those discs. It's not like they'd be losing any money: the CDs are already made, the producers, musicians, and so forth have already been paid, and the albums have been out for ages. I don't really see why I should be expected to pay for the CDs when I've already purchased a different version of the product on tape.
Greg
Somewhere along the way, I never purchased the CDs to replace my cassettes of "Melville" and "Whale Music." Honestly, with all the money and publicity I've given the Rheostatics, plus the fact that I've already purchased prior versions of Melville and Whale Music, I should be given copies of those discs. It's not like they'd be losing any money: the CDs are already made, the producers, musicians, and so forth have already been paid, and the albums have been out for ages. I don't really see why I should be expected to pay for the CDs when I've already purchased a different version of the product on tape.
Greg
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- KVRian
- 1272 posts since 11 Apr, 2002 from Nashville, TN
Greg, I know you are speaking rhetorically and making a point about Tracktion, but I actually kind of agree with your "absurd" conclusion.
I think the recording industry and consumers both want their cake and be able to eat it too. However in this case the recording industry actually gets both. Back when you bought that first Rheostatics tape, what were you getting? Was the tape, the actual physical object, what you owned? Or was it rather some sort of license? Well if it was the object, then you should be able to do with it as you choose. You should be able to play it in your room, or in a stadium or broadcast it live on your own television show. Heck it is your tape. Well we both know that won't fly. You can't do that with your tape cause somehow owning the tape doesn't mean owning the music. In a sense, you only owned some sort of implied license to listen to the tape in a restricted way. But what if the tape breaks? Then guess what... you own squat. All the consumer's rights are tied to the physical object, but not his freedoms. I really feel like the lines have been drawn to favor the recording industry. In a more even playing feild, I believe that if you owned the tape you should be able to transfer your listening rights from one medium to another. In other words, if you buy the CD yourself you should at the very least be able to transfer the song from your tape to your blank CD (which I think is legal) and perhaps even copy a friend's CD (the same album you bought) to a new CD (which I doubt is legal) in order to replace your old tape. That probably stacks the deck in favor of the consumer, but no more and probably less than the deck is currently stacked in favor of the RI.
I think the recording industry and consumers both want their cake and be able to eat it too. However in this case the recording industry actually gets both. Back when you bought that first Rheostatics tape, what were you getting? Was the tape, the actual physical object, what you owned? Or was it rather some sort of license? Well if it was the object, then you should be able to do with it as you choose. You should be able to play it in your room, or in a stadium or broadcast it live on your own television show. Heck it is your tape. Well we both know that won't fly. You can't do that with your tape cause somehow owning the tape doesn't mean owning the music. In a sense, you only owned some sort of implied license to listen to the tape in a restricted way. But what if the tape breaks? Then guess what... you own squat. All the consumer's rights are tied to the physical object, but not his freedoms. I really feel like the lines have been drawn to favor the recording industry. In a more even playing feild, I believe that if you owned the tape you should be able to transfer your listening rights from one medium to another. In other words, if you buy the CD yourself you should at the very least be able to transfer the song from your tape to your blank CD (which I think is legal) and perhaps even copy a friend's CD (the same album you bought) to a new CD (which I doubt is legal) in order to replace your old tape. That probably stacks the deck in favor of the consumer, but no more and probably less than the deck is currently stacked in favor of the RI.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Yeah, I'm entitled to duplicate the tape onto a blank CD. 
How about this, instead, then:
5 years after buying "Melville", I found out that the CD version contains 2 bonus tracks. One is a truly kick-ass cover of Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," which is available to people who purchased the CD.
I only purchased the tape, at the time not even knowing that the CD had different songs on it. I'm not even sure the Rheostatics originally released it on CD, when I got it. I'm trying to remember if CDs were even around yet. Regardless, a few years later it WAS on CD, and had material I'd sure like to own. Can I get those 2 bonus tracks now as a standalone item on a separate disc, at a reasonable discount since I'm only buying 2 songs and not a whole album?
pHz: stubble is my middle name!
Greg
How about this, instead, then:
5 years after buying "Melville", I found out that the CD version contains 2 bonus tracks. One is a truly kick-ass cover of Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," which is available to people who purchased the CD.
I only purchased the tape, at the time not even knowing that the CD had different songs on it. I'm not even sure the Rheostatics originally released it on CD, when I got it. I'm trying to remember if CDs were even around yet. Regardless, a few years later it WAS on CD, and had material I'd sure like to own. Can I get those 2 bonus tracks now as a standalone item on a separate disc, at a reasonable discount since I'm only buying 2 songs and not a whole album?
pHz: stubble is my middle name!
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I think it'll fly under the radar.
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
& the best bit about this thread is i have them
& thay are great
:moonie icon gose here:
& thay are great
:moonie icon gose here:
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- KVRian
- 1272 posts since 11 Apr, 2002 from Nashville, TN
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- KVRist
- 179 posts since 21 May, 2005
Jup. There are many internet mp3 stores where you can buy each song seperatly.Lunch Money wrote:I only purchased the tape, at the time not even knowing that the CD had different songs on it. I'm not even sure the Rheostatics originally released it on CD, when I got it. I'm trying to remember if CDs were even around yet. Regardless, a few years later it WAS on CD, and had material I'd sure like to own. Can I get those 2 bonus tracks now as a standalone item on a separate disc, at a reasonable discount since I'm only buying 2 songs and not a whole album?
Greg
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