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A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:54 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Yack!! It was a boy! LOL

I didn't look at the video's file name.

Oh, by DSM i meant that technology, or similar that AT2 claims to have. It is demonstrated quite well on that GT8 demo.

Wow, does that photo look cool!

Fritz, did you watch the video?

Here is the link again:

http://easylink.playstream.com/roland/gt-8_demo_hi.wvx

Long live guitar face!

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:04 am

fritzman wrote:What is guitar face?

I present to you all, the godly Scott Henderson:

http://www.spuddle.org.uk/movies/funny/mmm_ed.swf

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:08 am

Sascha Franck wrote:That chick-ish looking Nick dude should learn some stuff about timing and phrasing, for heavens sake. Horrible clone stuff without *any* musical meaning.

phrasing again? Sascha would you explain what makes phrasing proper...that's your catch phrase it seems (pun intended)...too me there's a big difference between liking someones phrasing and their phrasing be wrong...in fact I have no idea how phrasing can be "wrong" it's purely subjective imo...but seeing how you seem to believe you can judge someones phrasing, please to explain if you will.... really I'm not digging at you, or trying to start anything...but I would like a clear picture of you believe to be proper phrasing, and what makes it proper...

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:15 am

Hink, I'll gladly provide you with some phrasing examples one day. Just not now, wLan is expensive over here in FR and the freaking ESI Neon isn't doing as great of a job than what I thought originally. But yes, it's all about phrasing!

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:16 am

I present to you all, the godly Scott Henderson:

http://www.spuddle.org.uk/movies/funny/mmm_ed.swf

LOL, he's bad, but there is NO way that he beats 'Mikey'!

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:18 am

I would say phrasing can be difficult to assimilate if they are not giving any thought to how the melody lines will be perceived by an audience. Of course the audience may have different tastes to others and thus it would be suited to them. Therefore there is no wrong phrasing but rather phrasing that is commonly regarded as 'nice to listen to'.

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:19 am

A3ntar wrote:
I present to you all, the godly Scott Henderson:

http://www.spuddle.org.uk/movies/funny/mmm_ed.swf
LOL, he's bad, but there is NO way that he beats 'Mikey'!

Aw, bad? How dare you! The man is a genius, thus he can pull silly faces all day and we'd never dream of bashing him for it

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:20 am

Scott Henderson is ALL about phrasing! Gotta love him! Even if I just hate the latest Tribal Tech stuff.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:27 am

Seriously, if you can get ahold of that Scott Henderson video, do so! Brilliant! Especially the first half of it. Will teach you more than anything else. As said before, I don't love fusion anymore, but he just freaking knows what it's all about. I'm using the video on a regular base for some students.

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:34 am

What Sascha said

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:41 am

Sascha Franck wrote:Hink, I'll gladly provide you with some phrasing examples one day. Just not now, wLan is expensive over here in FR and the freaking ESI Neon isn't doing as great of a job than what I thought originally. But yes, it's all about phrasing!

it's all about phrasing you say...what's "it"?...before you answer why dont you read this http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=

it's not about phrasing imo, it's not about who's better than who, it's not about right or wrong...it's about the individual, and what playing does for them...I know I can learn a lot from you and everybody else here...I wonder if you realise you too can learn from us...you know if everyone stuck to the same standards music would get boring if you ask me...see I would never presume to be better than anyone...but at the same time, there isn't anyone here better than me either...music is my self expression...proper phrasing or not...I can't see anyone else being better at expressing myself than me.

TBH, I think it may be a language barrier thing...so you understand I have a saying I like, I hope it translates well "those beneath me cannot offend me, and those my equal never would"...the same holds true with being judgemental. To keep it clear I believe the only people beneath me are those who choose to put themselves there by judging me, or making failed attempts to offend me.

I really hope that one day you have gained as much joy as I have in my life from music, because my "it" is about how my music impacts me...and it's pure joy for me (that's why I never finish songs, I'm having too much fun playing them)...but I would never judge someone else's playing...constructive criticism is another thing entirely, but to judge means I believe I am above someone, I am not that presumptuous...as you said about yourself, I am just a guitarist...

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:51 am

Hink, I'm afraid we won't be discussing the things you mentioned right now... but all I know is that Scott Henderson's video (the second one, to be concrete) has been an eye opener for me.
We may discuss details later on, I need that 5€/h wLan access for other things right now. Just one thing: Scott H surely knows how to make things sound his own, regardless of the amp or whatever used. This has been mentioned before and I won't go into any further details right now...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:02 am

have a good tour Sascha, I hope you're having a ball, I know your time is short right now there is no rush...believe me, but it would be nice sometime to chat...for both of us...btw, I was not about Scott H at all...everything was in general...

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:05 am

I think 'mature' players appreciate the spaces in-between notes, which is what many people refer to as tasteful phrasing.

But ultimately, I'm with Hink on this one-- You have some teenager who's been practicing all day long just so that he can play insanely fast Shreddy McShredderson stuff. As a 'mature' player, I will probably think that his million-notes-a-second with no pauses shows poor phrasing. But to his target audience-- other teenagers who love the million notes-- he's delivering exactly what they want, in a language (ie. phrasing!) that they understand and enjoy.

So, his phrasing isn't really 'off' if he's communicating what he's feeling, which is the gunslinger bazillion-notes thing; particularly if that's what his audience is also enjoying!

Greg

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:15 am

I'm not sure that speed has a negative impact on phrasing by default...listen to some gary moore, or tony macalpine (sp), or even steve morse...all three very good guitarists with plenty of speed....each with their own phrasing....each who say a lot with what they play...though I admit speed can be used as a crutch, as with lot's of distortion, that doesn't mean it has to be poorly phrased...it's what the player says with his/her playing...of course some players have one scale memorized and play it real fast, others do much more with it...I surely do not consider myself a slow player and I really enjoy busting wide open...but truly I never know what's next from me...it's when the speed is the same ol scales and sounds over and over that retards growth.

Personally I think that a real sign of growth is backing off the gain, the trick is if you can do it clean, then when you do decide to pump the gain you have more control, it then becomes a matter of balance between the two that stimulates growth...at least for me.

I dont think a fast player should limit him/herself based on the concept that someone else my not like the phrasing, if it's all just neck masturbation maybe I see the point, but still one grows from that too...

...but any musician who can nail scales fast and slow is versatile imo, listen to Knopfler(again sp), or SRV, or Schenker, how about Alvin Lee or even Chet Atkins and Roy Clark.

Any way you look at it if a guitarist leans on any one thing to heavy it becomes a crutch...gain heads really aren't gaining anything if it's all they know, some people rely of lots of effects...how many guitarists instead of getting a deep bend opt for a pedal to achieve a synthetic bend? Like anything it's moderation, feel (someimes speed is a good feel) and variety that makes the player grow.

To suggest speed is not mature is way off base imo...often it's another by-product of growth as well...depending on how it's used...but it surely can't be used to solely judge a guitarist's growth...true often it's the notes that aren't played that say alot, but that can work hand in hand with speed very nicely imo, contrast really speaks out loud...but just as often that little trill thrown in at the end of a scale, or between breaths of the singer can make or break a song and add some zing that grabs attention.

Notice I didn't mention Malmsteen, that's because I saw three different bands with him (Alcatraz, Steeler, and himself)...all three shows were just about the same thing...but by the same token he does a great job with Uli Jon Roth's Sails of Charon, and I have to say that his Carry on Wayward Son is quite surprising to say the least...his album Inspirations, which is all covers has a few very nice songs on it, though often when he breaks into a solo it's a bit like watching Gilligan's Island, you know what's next because you've seen it so many times...

Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!