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headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:11 pm

Teksonik wrote: Silly analogy yours. I'm making a point on what set of tools and compositional power a certain amount of money will get you. For the price of Reason you can Purchase FL Studio or Orion Platinum plus Energy XT and have so much more power at your fingertips than Reason gives (and probably have some money left over-haven't checked street prices).

That's nonsense. Since when did Fruity Loops or eXT come bundled with multi-velocity layered samples of a full symphony orchestra? I bought Reason as a full collection of samples/instruments to use for a wide range of musical styles, including classical.

Then you still can't record audio with Reason so there's a whole other set of options you're missing with Reason. Yes there's Rewire but then that requires the purchase of more software and then Reason's Value for Money plummets even farther.

Again, that is nonsense. I didn't buy Reason to record audio. I have a host sequencer for that already

I bought Reason for the sample content and instruments. Also for the low CPU, efficient coding, and stability. ANd because as of version 3 it has the very best controller mapping available (I'm a keyboard player).

the cpu demand issue isn't even an issue anymore.

Of course it is. On my laptop I can run 50+ Reason devices simultaneously. FL's Sytrus synth can wipe out my whole CPU with just one patch.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:23 pm

Agreed with headquest, Reason is more than just the devices, the samples included are top notch, and much better than any softstudio I have heard. The included samples in FL studio are laughable at best, I wish that they would package it with out them.* That said I think that since Reason 3 did not include an overwhelming amount of new features, I would have liked to have seen the reason drum kits included in the deal. Ah well.

*Before you go bashing me about FL studio,I understand that they offer the software as downloadable, and that is the reasoning for the lower quality samples. I quite like FL 6, and reason, and Project 5, and sonar.

mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:28 pm

Everything, Headquest says is right. With low cpu one can organize a whole well-sounding orchestra-setup in Reason. Which other 'studio' can do it without bouncing and bouncing and bouncing and....

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:40 pm

Then there's my favorite aspect of Reason, the ability to wire stuff together in ways far beyond simple side-chaining. Those jacks and cables and knobs on the back aren't just for show, they work. :-) The Combinator adds even more modulation fun.

Pumpkins show their emptiness, but Combinator reveals Reason's strength.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:54 pm

Like I said to each his own. I don't use Orchestra samples. If I did I would purchase SampleTank or Kontakt. If you already had a host sequencer why buy Reason just for the samples? That's nonsense.
Does Reason have anything like Orion's stunning realtime Impulse Response Processor or FL Studio's Vocorder? These are the tools I use along with Audio recording so Reason isn't even a factor. I can run FL or Orion on my old coal fired Duron 850 internet machine and load 6 Synth 1's all layered together and not even break a sweat. It will also run FM7 with no problem and there's nothing even close to that in Reason. On my modest P4 2.53 DAW I can run anything and everything along with audio and I've never had to bounce tracks.

It's your money but buying Reason for Orchestral work is even sillier than buying it for synth based work. Especially if you already had a vst host.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:55 pm

Meffy wrote:Then there's my favorite aspect of Reason, the ability to wire stuff together in ways far beyond simple side-chaining. Those jacks and cables and knobs on the back aren't just for show, they work. The Combinator adds even more modulation fun.

Pumpkins show their emptiness, but Combinator reveals Reason's strength.

You can do so much more with Energy XT as a vsti.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:56 pm

I have eXT as well. Why rule out any valuable sound source or tool? :-) Doing so would be "silly."

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:59 pm

I still dont understand why everything has to be a x vs. y deal. everything out there has its strengths and weaknesses. the more the merrier I say.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:07 pm

Teksonik wrote: Like I said to each his own. I don't use Orchestra samples. If I did I would purchase SampleTank or Kontakt.

But FL6/Orion + eXT + SampleTank/Kontakt would cost you considerably more than Reason

. So maybe Reason isn't such bad value after all dude

If you already had a host sequencer why buy Reason just for the samples? That's nonsense.

Not at all. Have you seen the price of decent sample discs? But I didn't buy it JUST for the samples... I bought the whole package

Regarding your point about freeware VSTs by the way, there are some stunning free ReFills all over the net, including massive amounts of decent sample material.

It's your money but buying Reason for Orchestral work is even sillier than buying it for synth based work. Especially if you already had a vst host.

But I didn't say I bought it specifically for orchestral work. I said:

headquest wrote:I bought Reason as a full collection of samples/instruments to use for a wide range of musical styles, including classical.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:07 pm

Meffy wrote:I have eXT as well. Why rule out any valuable sound source or tool? Doing so would be "silly."

Good point but to me Reason only has value to it's............developers.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:08 pm

Then I heartily and with clear conscience recommend that you not buy it. *dusts paws off* Next!

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:09 pm

Stupid American Pig wrote:I still dont understand why everything has to be a x vs. y deal. everything out there has its strengths and weaknesses. the more the merrier I say.

Exactly!

Teksonik: I have SOnar 5 PE, Adobe Audition 2.0, Ableton Live (including Operator), and Sibelius as well. They are all useful. And to answer your other points, the convolution in Sonar 5 PE is miles ahead of Orions... etc, etc...

...but it's not a competition dude - just enjoy what you have and don't criticise others

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:11 pm

headquest wrote:
Teksonik wrote: But FL6/Orion + eXT + SampleTank/Kontakt would cost you considerably more than Reason . So maybe Reason isn't such bad value after all dude

Yes it would be more but the Value for Money and the musical power would be many times that of Reason.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:16 pm

Value is not a fixed measurement. It is assigned by each person. Which is more or less what you were saying before in another way: to each his own. A shock and some goo. Forces for gorses.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:16 pm

I'm not being critical it's more.........pity than anything.

You have all that software and don't have a proper lappy to run it?

Ok Ok I'm going to get this thread locked if I don't chill out. I'm just having a bit of fun. Reason bashing is such great sport.

Use what works for you I would just hate for a newbie to buy Reason without knowing what options are available. Peace.

Combinator reveals Reason's weakness