Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[Hink]

Well, they could use phrases like S-Type, LP-type etc. GR-2 already does this with their "Gratifier" "Lead 800" "Tweedman" etc. Amp models. My idea could still be implemented.

My point is that most of the presets for these things are either bathed in effects, or sound like crap with standard guitars.

It's like they were designed with cheap or uncommon guitars rather than what most pro players actually own.


Jeff

of course there is nothing wrong with making your own presets...I know I'm overstating the obvious some...that's what I like about line six's tone editor (not sound diver)... the best part is being able to get the precise tone you had earlier working on a project...btw line six has tone transfer...tones are listed by artist and model (or like you say, something that suggests the model)...of course who knows who made the preset, but some are good jumping off places...

[Guitarjeff]

Raphael rocks. The tone is so-so though. Thin in the upper registers. A Les Paul Custom doesn't generally sound that thin. It sounds better before he brings up the volume knob.

Hey Jeff. The upper range tones did sound thin on the video. I was surprised at that. What I am wondering is if we can blame it on AT2 entirely. Can you tell us what was Raphael was playing out of - Was it a PA or was it a set of active monitors or proper cabs. I couldn't tell from the video. I loved the playing by the way kinda Dimeola meets Henderson.

Cheers,
Gordon

Hi Gordon, I almost missed this.

Yeah, those Genelecs should have pretty darn good sound reproduction.

Certainly you'd get more depth with a guitar type cab in the chain, but the whole purpose of amp/cab simulators is to not need that. You know what I'm saying? I can re-amp through a guitar amp and cab now without AT-2. What would be the purpose if you had to run it through a cab to get a good sound?

I love his playing also. He really has a total grasp on the instrument. A player like that can take a so-so tone and still sound great.

I think the bottom line is that amp sims, for the time being are crippled by those fizzy highs. They all have them.

Squids is right that the latency shouldn't be a problem. Of course you don't need the stomp i/o for that. I get great low latency action with my soundcard (MOTU Traveler) Most decent modern soundcards should get less than 2ms.



Cheers!


Jeff

[Amberience]

You guys do run amp sims in 96000khz right? Anything less and it's pointless, imho.

[Guitarjeff]

Well, they could use phrases like S-Type, LP-type etc. GR-2 already does this with their "Gratifier" "Lead 800" "Tweedman" etc. Amp models. My idea could still be implemented.

My point is that most of the presets for these things are either bathed in effects, or sound like crap with standard guitars.

It's like they were designed with cheap or uncommon guitars rather than what most pro players actually own.


Jeff

of course there is nothing wrong with making your own presets...I know I'm overstating the obvious some...that's what I like about line six's tone editor (not sound diver)... the best part is being able to get the precise tone you had earlier working on a project...btw line six has tone transfer...tones are listed by artist and model (or like you say, something that suggests the model)...of course who knows who made the preset, but some are good jumping off places...

Of course there's nothing wrong with making your own presets, but it would be nice if they came with some good ones that sound good with a standard guitar to begin with.

It makes me wonder that if I plug in my Les Paul and the presets sound like crap, then I plug in my Strat and they sound like crap, I plug in one of my old high end Jacksons and they sound like crap, what DO they sound good with?

And what were they using to test the whole plug-in to begin with? Maybe they should use standard guitars during development if they are not already. It certainly makes me wonder anyway. Maybe the product would ultimately sound better?

Jeff

[Hink]

Well, they could use phrases like S-Type, LP-type etc. GR-2 already does this with their "Gratifier" "Lead 800" "Tweedman" etc. Amp models. My idea could still be implemented.

My point is that most of the presets for these things are either bathed in effects, or sound like crap with standard guitars.

It's like they were designed with cheap or uncommon guitars rather than what most pro players actually own.


Jeff

of course there is nothing wrong with making your own presets...I know I'm overstating the obvious some...that's what I like about line six's tone editor (not sound diver)... the best part is being able to get the precise tone you had earlier working on a project...btw line six has tone transfer...tones are listed by artist and model (or like you say, something that suggests the model)...of course who knows who made the preset, but some are good jumping off places...

Of course there's nothing wrong with making your own presets, but it would be nice if they came with some good ones that sound good with a standard guitar to begin with.

It makes me wonder that if I plug in my Les Paul and the presets sound like crap, then I plug in my Strat and they sound like crap, I plug in one of my old high end Jacksons and they sound like crap, what DO they sound good with?

And what were they using to test the whole plug-in to begin with? Maybe they should use standard guitars during development if they are not already. It certainly makes me wonder anyway. Maybe the product would ultimately sound better?

Jeff

I must say you're right, I often wonder too about what they used and how they determined it was a good example...that's why I have to try it....sometimes not for long. Once I was just checking out Laneys (mid 80's), I just was curious. I had a modded plexi head on a 4x12 and a 2x12 (Hi watt and Tusc cabs)...I wasn't impressed at all with the Laneys....then I saw a Mesa-Boogie SOB (older 100/60 watt head)...I thought "cool I always wanted to try a boogie...in under 5 minutes I was arranging a trade for my beloved Plexi...

[Guitarjeff]

You guys do run amp sims in 96000khz right? Anything less and it's pointless, imho.

96000? Pffft

Anything less than 192 is pointless.



Jeff

[Lunch Money]

I thought 8-bit, 16 khz sounded odd. Now I know what I was doing wrong!

[Squids]

I talk to a lot of musicians and I really do think that the general consensus is that AT2 is the best of the lot. If you're judging by what demo needs a dongle or not that is one thing. If that is the most important thing to you then pick the one that doesn't. But, if you use ProTools, Cubase/Nuendo or Logic, since those three platforms are the main ones for RTAS|VST|Audio Units, I think a majority of those that will use this as a plug-in will already be used to a dongle. I have all three and a nice $30. hub.

Those that have had some kind of traumatic experience with them, I can understand your aversion to it (even though most of the industry is going in that direction). I haven't had a problem myself with it so to me it is no big deal. But, each person is different. I respect that. However, there's a difference between stating our own opinion/decision vs. pondering on what might me the general consensus. Although KVR tends to be very influential and you have an oddly long list of "dongle haters" here yet the weirdest thing is that I rarely see a person face to face that has anything negative to say about it! Seriously, it's true. Not at trade shows or store visits which I've done all over the world. I don't thhink it is on the top of most people's gripe list. They probably expect that a high end software product that is vulnerable to being illegally copied has to be protected. Some people even value it more knowing that their friend has to get their own copy if they want it... just like your hardware!

Anyway, I can't believe I even brought it up! I hate talking about dongles. It seems like such a waste of focus. I am more interested in the software.

What I like about GuitarRig is NI's funky modulation stuff. I might like it more for keyboards perhaps oddly enough. But, for recording I collect vintage amps and stomp boxes. The emulation seems much more accurate in AmpliTube 2 than almost anything else. I have to compare maybe the CE-1 model in AT2 to the CE-1 model I have in my UAD. Although even there I think it captures a bit more of the lushness of it. Bucketbrigade I think? Anyway, there are a few things that make me feel like AmpliTube 2 is the dog's bollocks. Here's what it is and I realize this is just my opinion (although I have heard from a lot of guitarists saying the same thing).

I like the character of the modeling and DSM. Is it a perfect exact replica of every amp? No. Is it much closer to the real thing than a lot of other sims? I think. It is harder to tell with amps than with the stomps. With stomps you hear it and go "THAT'S the MXR phaser!!! That's the FUZZFACE!!!!". So, to me AT2 is even worth it JUST for the stomps.

The other thing I love about it is just the way it is laid out. Darn, there's more I had to say but my battery ran out on my laptop and it is 4 am. Oh well.

[Sascha Franck]

I use both Logic and Cubase, but I don't use them for live playing.
Again: There's gonna be no f**king obscene dongle sticking in ANY live machine. A hub is of absolutely NO help at all. Dongles just get stolen in a heartbeat.

If the folks at IKMM were clever, they'd build a USB hub INSIDE the Stomp IO, that way the dongle would at least be partially protected. But as the stomp thingy is build in a rather clueless fashion anyways (I need more than four sounds without switching between banks) it's just clear that cleverness in terms of user friendliness isn't their thing.

Sorry, but AT2 is a no-go for me.

[anon]

I use both Logic and Cubase, but I don't use them for live playing.
Again: There's gonna be no f**king obscene dongle sticking in ANY live machine. A hub is of absolutely NO help at all. Dongles just get stolen in a heartbeat.

If the folks at IKMM were clever, they'd build a USB hub INSIDE the Stomp IO, that way the dongle would at least be partially protected. But as the stomp thingy is build in a rather clueless fashion anyways (I need more than four sounds without switching between banks) it's just clear that cleverness in terms of user friendliness isn't their thing.

Sorry, but AT2 is a no-go for me.

I agree, the idea of using a Dongle live makes me cringe, I won't even consider it, But as I got such a great deal on AT2 i paid for it, and will use it in the studio, I am not sure how it will compare to GR2, which I like a lot, we will see, but I am amazed that IK made AT2 use a Dongle, It is obviously going to be a problem Live and I think anyone using a dongle live is asking for trouble, so I think it's madness.

[A3ntar]

Is the fact that a usb key is hanging outside form your PC ( easily knowckable ) that makes it inappropriate for live usage? or is it something else?

Squids, any official date on the demo ( or ballpark )? For me it might be worth it to buy a 20$ dongle to sample the software before actually buying it.

[tq]

I just wonder why no company came up with something like a 'dongle lock' so far. I could image this to be a USB hub with some kind of enclosure (a closed box) that could be locked or connected to the Laptop using a Kensington lock. You could take the whole box with you, with all the dongles, and lock it to the laptop so that nobody would steal it on the road. While it would be a bit clumsy, at least it would be safe.

Anybody wants to build this and pay me something for the idea...?

[daGuru]

I think you should have (tm)'ed that first, mate LOL

[tq]

Who says that I didn't (tm) that?

I am just waiting for somebody to build it so that I can sue them... hrhrhrhr....

[AndrewSimon]

I like the character of the modeling and DSM. Is it a perfect exact replica of every amp? No. Is it much closer to the real thing than a lot of other sims? I think. It is harder to tell with amps than with the stomps. With stomps you hear it and go "THAT'S the MXR phaser!!! That's the FUZZFACE!!!!". So, to me AT2 is even worth it JUST for the stomps.

Yeah, the Delays in this thing are... HUGE.




sorry couldn't resist