guys, I'm really sorry if this has been posted, but I've been racking myh brains first trying to hack it out, and then trying to searcgh...so I'm really sorry. But is there any way to get tracktion to timestretch a clip to fit a marked region, like in cubase? I'm a real software hack...and I'd appreciate some help. I need to learn how to do this so I don't have to lean so hard on my mpc...
thanks in advance...
timestretch to fit
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- KVRer
- 4 posts since 12 Dec, 2005
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Wassup fourblocks. Welcome to Tracktionland.
When you click on an audio clip you'll notice the little triangles on the top bar of the clip. The outlined triangle will let you trim the size of the clip, but if you hold down ALT while dragging that triangle it'll time stretch the clip. So hold down alt, and click-drag the last triangle to the desired length.
Then in the properties area you can select the type of time stretch you want for the clip. "No Time" stretch means the clip is stretched but doesnt retain its pitch. So it'll lower or raise the pitch depending on the length. And low,med,high quality will timestretch the clip while TRYING to keep the original pitch. Emphasis on TRYING.
Hope that helps.
When you click on an audio clip you'll notice the little triangles on the top bar of the clip. The outlined triangle will let you trim the size of the clip, but if you hold down ALT while dragging that triangle it'll time stretch the clip. So hold down alt, and click-drag the last triangle to the desired length.
Then in the properties area you can select the type of time stretch you want for the clip. "No Time" stretch means the clip is stretched but doesnt retain its pitch. So it'll lower or raise the pitch depending on the length. And low,med,high quality will timestretch the clip while TRYING to keep the original pitch. Emphasis on TRYING.
Hope that helps.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 4 posts since 12 Dec, 2005
thanks so much ad...god...that's simple...
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Once they update the timestretch algorithm (some day, I can only pray) it'll be even better. 
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 4 posts since 12 Dec, 2005
Ok...so I did what you said...and it worked brilliantly. Well...almost brilliantly. The speed was right...but it sounded AWFUL...it had this weird phasing on it...and it was ramming the cpu. Did I do something wrong?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Nope, that sounds about right.
The CPU hit can be dealt with by using the "render and replace" function, but the phasey artifacts are unavoidable.
Greg
The CPU hit can be dealt with by using the "render and replace" function, but the phasey artifacts are unavoidable.
Greg
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
Download the free demo of Live 5 from ableton.com.
Rewire the two programs together. Search the forum for details.
Set your tempo in Tracktion.
Load your loop or clip in Live and adjust the warp markers etc.
Render the loop into Tracktion.
Free, sounds good but not simple. A workable solution.
Search the forum for more information about Live and Tracktion.
Rewire the two programs together. Search the forum for details.
Set your tempo in Tracktion.
Load your loop or clip in Live and adjust the warp markers etc.
Render the loop into Tracktion.
Free, sounds good but not simple. A workable solution.
Search the forum for more information about Live and Tracktion.
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
I've found this to be the best way to add a loop, clip, phrase to an existing project whose tempo is already determined.
Obviously, if you are beginning a project from scratch, it's best to change Tracktion's tempo to match the first loop.
Live has different timestretching settings for material: beat/bar, note, polyphonic and complex/mixes.
If you are creating a track as a sound collage of different source loops, you may want to do all of this in Live while rewired to Tracktion. The transport controls for one launch both in sync. Live's tracks can be rendered to Tracktion individually or as a group mix. The later is very practical for quickly working up an idea.
This also works very well for midi editing if you enjoy using Live's built in Impulse drum machine or Simpler sampler. Free demo and/or rewire mode limits your plug in options (native and 3rd party). To get around this, render the audio out to T2 and continue processing with filters. Midi can't be output directly via rewire but I understand several third party apps may be able to globally route midi data. I can't provide links as I don't use that method.
Obviously, if you are beginning a project from scratch, it's best to change Tracktion's tempo to match the first loop.
Live has different timestretching settings for material: beat/bar, note, polyphonic and complex/mixes.
If you are creating a track as a sound collage of different source loops, you may want to do all of this in Live while rewired to Tracktion. The transport controls for one launch both in sync. Live's tracks can be rendered to Tracktion individually or as a group mix. The later is very practical for quickly working up an idea.
This also works very well for midi editing if you enjoy using Live's built in Impulse drum machine or Simpler sampler. Free demo and/or rewire mode limits your plug in options (native and 3rd party). To get around this, render the audio out to T2 and continue processing with filters. Midi can't be output directly via rewire but I understand several third party apps may be able to globally route midi data. I can't provide links as I don't use that method.
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
Here's another fun workaround Live's demo/rewire limitations;
1 launch as a stand alone app
2 work up your idea using native and 3rd party plugs (number is still limited)
3 record the output of the midi tracks internally to one of live's audio tracks in real time (select midi channel as input to audio channel, enable, record)
4 find the temp folder where Live stores these track files
5 copy them to another location, change their name and delete the als files
6 close Live
7 launch Tracktion and add the new files to your project
Think of this as a good solution for Tracktion's limited midi editing.
Use Impulse to load homegrown percussion samples or combine beat/match to loops on the fly in Live. Build up your rhythm section and variations. Pick up the work in Tracktion and continue your project.
All free and legal.
1 launch as a stand alone app
2 work up your idea using native and 3rd party plugs (number is still limited)
3 record the output of the midi tracks internally to one of live's audio tracks in real time (select midi channel as input to audio channel, enable, record)
4 find the temp folder where Live stores these track files
5 copy them to another location, change their name and delete the als files
6 close Live
7 launch Tracktion and add the new files to your project
Think of this as a good solution for Tracktion's limited midi editing.
Use Impulse to load homegrown percussion samples or combine beat/match to loops on the fly in Live. Build up your rhythm section and variations. Pick up the work in Tracktion and continue your project.
All free and legal.
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
In disclosure, I own Live AND Tracktion and use BOTH.
They are excellent programs.
They are excellent programs.
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- KVRian
- 517 posts since 21 Aug, 2003 from so cal
dittojames wrote:In disclosure, I own Live AND Tracktion and use BOTH.
They are excellent programs.
T for midi and Live for strecthing, altough with the latest build Live rewired is very very sluggish.
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
fourblocks wrote:Ok...so I did what you said...and it worked brilliantly. Well...almost brilliantly. The speed was right...but it sounded AWFUL...it had this weird phasing on it...and it was ramming the cpu. Did I do something wrong?
Oh did I forget to mention that? Yeah the built in Tracktion time stretch is one of the worst there is. No matter which setting. If timestretch quality is a priority to you then T2 might not be the right prog for you at the moment.
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- KVRist
- 173 posts since 14 Apr, 2005 from Sweden
So true...but if it´s a very clean and simple beat the low setting can actually work quite ok, it doesn´t have that phasy thing going on...AD80 wrote:fourblocks wrote:Ok...so I did what you said...and it worked brilliantly. Well...almost brilliantly. The speed was right...but it sounded AWFUL...it had this weird phasing on it...and it was ramming the cpu. Did I do something wrong?
No matter which setting. If timestretch quality is a priority to you then T2 might not be the right prog for you at the moment.
But a good timestretch is one of my top FRs for Tracktion!
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
If it's a clean and simple beat, I recommend the beatslice (either in timeline or with sampler) technique instead.
Greg
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Yeah I personally dont do much time stretching at all. I cant remember the last time I time stretched something. It hardly ever sounds good regardless of algo. I mean it'll sound acceptable, but never as good as the original. So I avoid it like the plague. But T2 sure needs a new algo. The current one is slightly embarrasing.