Guitar players, The soundclick MP3 demo page got updated !

[agentdark1]

Why haven't you? f**k off yourself. I'm a rabbit fanboy don'tcha know!!?!

haha, hows bubba these days?

[Karbon L. Forms]

lunch is a teacher right?

[_niko_]

I don't see the big fuss about the Website request. Rene, both directly and indirectly, has shown that in his living conditions and social environment, he doesn't have thousands of U.S. dollars with which to hire a "professional" web-designer.

If somebody out there enjoys doing such things as a hobby anyhow (not to mention that and the TC Helicon page is just simple CSS-based design that could take less than a day), it's a potentially win-win situation. As long as the would-be designer is fully aware that there may not ever be a return on invested time, it's their right to make that decision. In return, Rene is offering a commodity that doesn't yet exist. This is ALSO something that's done all the time in business. Ever hear of investors? They pay lots of money for products that don't exist.

FFS, I've spent literally hundreds of hours writing user manuals and providing technical support FOR FREE! because I enjoy it and I do what I can to help. I offered to help out GVST with their manuals because at the time I couldn't afford an actual "donation", but I used Graham's plug-ins so much that I wanted to give something back to him. When BetabugsAudio started, I spent many hours brainstorming not only pure text, but also conceptual "raison d'etre" type things with Mully and Paul. That's my time invested... for what? A freeware company. Am I an "idiot" because I applied some of my skills to helping out a project I'm interested in? We didn't even have a webspace purchased at the time, so there wasn't a "tangible" entity that I was investing my time into, but I believed that there would be. And now there is.

Finally, when did the barter system become so reviled? In many ways, it was the best economic system going for a while, and in many ways I'd like to see its return. In many parts of the world, goods and services are offered by barter. Why is it so god-awful that he'd like to trade his product for someone else's? And as mentioned, the fact that his product is still 'vapour' doesn't hold water (no pun intended) as a logical counter-argument until the idea of investment is addressed. In this kind of situation, if you waited for completion of a project (eg. the final coding and GUI), you'd then be guilty of "unprofessional" management of the project by not having the website ready to go.

It's unbelievable how desperately some of you want to criticize instead of either a) ignoring and keeping your compulsively-flapping lips still for a moment; or b) trying to relate to the other person.

Greg

Sorry but that is just bullshit, not that I really care but I am bored

While the TC Helicon page is css based (well which page isn't these days), it also makes heavy use of dhtml/javascript. Add to this the usual browser incompatabilties and quirks and testing for that and a day is pretty optimistic I'd say. You can always prove me wrong, of course
Even then, what do you think an average web designer charges per hour?

I also don't see at all, how this compares to the work you put into Betabugs or GVst. Both are idealism driven projects, offering sth. to the community for free (or a donation) and thus non profit driven. Soundspectral on the other hand want to sell their plugins to the community. The estimated price mentioned so far, doesn't sound very community friendly either to me, so how exactly is this a noble cause that deserves free support?

[Amberience]

Why haven't you? f**k off yourself. I'm a rabbit fanboy don'tcha know!!?!

haha, hows bubba these days?

He was buggered by an evil scooter.

[Lunch Money]

Yes, I'm a teacher.

Every counter-argument you tried to make is already addressed by my post, niko. But for the sake of redundancy:

- I'll grant you that the TC page is more complicated than a day's work. How does that negate somebody's free will in deciding if they want to use their own time in exchange for a plug-in, particularly if they know that there's at least a chance it might never be made into reality?

- I can compare my work to someone's webpage design in the following way: both would be done with the person's own time, with compensation not necessarily commiserate with the work involved. In my case, there's simply "none", and in someone else's case, it'll be a plug-in that may not be worth as much as their invested time.

and a new point since you brought it up:

- Soundspectral's pricing scheme DID sound community-friendly to me. If you don't see it that way, fine, but that's a matter of opinion, not fact.

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The main point, and trying to see the big picture here: why is it important for you or anyone else to try to "warn" people away from doing the work, or tell Rene that his offer is "stupid" or "unfair"? It's his business to make the offer, and someone else's business if they want to take him up on it. It's 'unfair' that once upon a time I generated hundreds of thousands of dollars of revenue for Eddie Bauer and got paid only $7/hr for it, when somebody else can sit at a desk and talk on the phone all day to friends instead of doing 'real' work and get paid $30/hr. But I still took the job, and it was my right to do so.

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The points in my post that you DIDN'T address are still valid, despite the fact that you ignored them. You can't dismiss a post as 'bullshit' with any sort of authority until each point is considered and weighed.

Otherwise, the response is just bullshit.

Greg

[G-Ro124]

As usual, a KVR thread becomes a gang battle against one individual.

I sympathize with you Greg: sometimes, KVRers become a group of rabid hounds, many times unfairly

[Jason Brian Merrill]

keep changing the title of your thread, each time it gives me a new reason not to buy vapourware

[MrM]

I believe this ampsim will see the light of day.

Midiworks, keep going on!

[_niko_]

Yes, I'm a teacher.
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You can't dismiss a post as 'bullshit' with any sort of authority until each point is considered and weighed.

Otherwise, the response is just bullshit.

Greg

Ok, sorry
I shouldn't have quoted the hole post, in fact I propably shouldn't have posted at all...
Anyway, I wish Rene all the best for his project and my original post was really rather meant as a friendly advice...

Enjoy yourselves

[Sascha Franck]

While I actually *do* think that this thing is taking quite some time to get done, I have to say that the Xmas Amp has got to be the most promising simulation of those I tried, and I think I tried them all (ok, almost).
Sure, it's more or less just one sound, but
a) I'd rather have a few great sounds than 4000 AT2 presets, all sounding mediocre.
b) if the other amp models will sound as good, well, in that case this amp will be a winner for sure.

And championrabbit, while I may agree to *some* points you've made in the past, who the f**k cares HOW the emulations are done? In case the final result is great (and as said, Xmas amp allready is), Rene could model them after a friggin' RA file, if that is what he's after. I couldn't care less.
The same goes for your "he's got no amp himself" point. Again, I couldn't care less if the amp is sounding great.

If it takes too long for anybody, just "unwatch" this topic and do something else. There's still enough fun to be had without this amp. And one day, when it sees the light of the day, it'll probably be even more fun.

[jens]

Championass - Please do everyone a favour and shut the f**k up, you arent clever, big or funny.

I for one think he's very funny at times... (I would have laughed my arse off if I actually had one )

[agentdark1]

yes but you sound like a royal douchebag so I really dont give a shit if you find him funny or not.

[jens]

sorry bud, but as I'm not a native English-speaker I've got not the slightest idea what a 'royal douchebag' might be (i.e. I've got not much knowledge about British lower class slang)...


b.t.w.: who are you? - it seems all (or at least most) of your 26 posts are in this thread so please excuse my curiosity...

[championrabbit]

b.t.w.: who are you? - it seems all (or at least most) of your 26 posts are in this thread so please excuse my curiosity...

[maerchentherapeut]

Win the amp !

What amp?