KVR Audio

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:04 am

Well, hoffy, I can't help the fact that you lack the kinds of skills needed to pull of a higher-order conversation. But I AM glad that you are blissfully ignorant. It's easier and more fun that way sometimes.

Mind you, everyone else-- including people with multiple varying and sometimes opposing perspectives-- seem to be having an OK time of it. So I guess intelligence and critical thinking CAN be fun after all!

Greg

hoffy · Post by **hoffy** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:19 am

Firstly, this isn't a conversation, it's a f**king internet forum. If you can't tell the difference mabye you need to get out a little more and quit posting on KvR!

Secondly, i think some of your "intelligence and critical thinking" is best applied elsewhere. Mabye your plug-ins for instance; why? because they're shit.

Anyone who would create or use such sub-standard tools obviously has no place in a conversation about Pro Tools =)~

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:31 am

<shakes his head>

You need a big hug. Nobody that bitter and frustrated could possibly be getting enough hugs.

Enjoy your Pro Tools! Even if my points are correct, obviously it's a fantastic sequencer for many.

I'm sure it's serving you perfectly. It's a good match for you, of that I've no doubt!

Greg

hoffy · Post by **hoffy** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:40 am

Actually, i don't use Pro Tools as my main sequencer- i just use it for work =)~

Thanks for the hug- and thanks for the plugs too

. I was just being sarcastic after all

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Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:42 am

No worries.

I missed what your main sequencer is, though, somewhere along the way...? Sonar?

Greg

hoffy · Post by **hoffy** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:49 am

Cubase. I use FL as well, but not for sequencing, i just make sounds out of it. Both of them can render files offline.

Personally, i only use Cubase coz i am MIDIot. If i had a band, i'd definately shift to Tools.

bugs · Post by **bugs** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:27 am

keyman_sam wrote:can someone please explain PDC to me? I've heard the term many times and i sorta got what it is, but not completely.

"A process of manipulating the timing of digital audio tracks so that any latency resulting from the application of plug-in effects or instruments is accounted for, resulting in the accurate synchronization of those tracks with other tracks which are not affected by latency-causing processing. Even with the fastest possible computer CPUs and hardware-accelerated DSP cards, routing an audio track through digital effects plug-in creates latency in the output of the effected audio. This latency can be almost imperceptible, such as a few samples, or it could be greater, up to a few milliseconds. As a result, that track's audio reaches the output stage slightly later than tracks that aren't passed through a plug-in. Multiply the effect of one track's latency by a potential of several tracks undergoing processing (each with a slightly different amount of latency) and you eventually end up with a "smeared" audio output - one in which the tracks aren't in perfect synchronization with each other, with audible differences in attacks, phase and releases. Musically speaking, this may not necessarily be a bad thing (although hardly anyone could argue it's a good thing), but if you're layering unison parts, for example, the combined latencies of several processed tracks can be distracting. It's also very destructive to building a proper soundstage in a mix."

hoffy · Post by **hoffy** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:36 am

Thanks for that professor bugs.

The english translation is: PDC automatically accounts for latency created by plug-ins processing information.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:37 am

multree wrote:PT is simply cool for mixing BFD...

Tracktion never worked for me there.

Seems like a cue to wheel out this picture again:

The 2 Golden Audio Channels at the bottom are running in dual mono mode to provide EQ & compression for kick snare and 2 toms, and the whole thing is saved as a rack preset with my favorite kit set up ready to go.

putte · Post by **putte** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:41 am

multree wrote:ask Putte if he still has his... I know he had one and doesn't use it anymore

.. had it, sold it and got a lovely metric halo 2882 instead ..

putte

multree · Post by **multree** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:43 am

IIRs wrote:
multree wrote:

see what I mean... I know it's possible and all but I just find it a bit crowded...

and as I said I never got Tracktion to bounce correctly even with the b button pushed down (fl however was superb in that case)

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:02 am

multree wrote: and as I said I never got Tracktion to bounce correctly even with the b button pushed down

I had a few problems like that at first, but haven't noticed them since I installed the latest version of BFD.. might be coincidence though.

multree · Post by **multree** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:40 am

IIRs wrote:
multree wrote: and as I said I never got Tracktion to bounce correctly even with the b button pushed down
I had a few problems like that at first, but haven't noticed them since I installed the latest version of BFD.. might be coincidence though.

I didn't actually try it with the latest versions of both... have given up about half a year ago or something...

might need to try again I guess

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:52 am

multree wrote:
IIRs wrote:
multree wrote:
see what I mean... I know it's possible and all but I just find it a bit crowded...

and as I said I never got Tracktion to bounce correctly even with the b button pushed down (fl however was superb in that case)

You probably already know this but IIRs way is just one way of doing it. It's a bit crowded within the rack but its reusable and elegant.
However you could just set-up a rack with just BFD inside and put as many instances as you need in separate tracks followed by whatever EQ, compressor, reverb etc. you want for the specific drums sub-chanel. All subchanels could be routed to a "drums submix" chanel for global proccessing and controlling volume. Save this as an archive and use it whenever you want multichanel BFD in your tracks

lavoll · Post by **lavoll** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:54 am

like someone said above. I also often end up recording stuff into protools.. and then bring it to my own studio to work with it just to get stuff done a gazillion times faster

Pro Tools - I found the fatal flaw