Pro Tools - I found the fatal flaw

[Kingston]

Even though that that picture looks like my extremely bloated and wire-networked synthmaker projects, it still manages to come up as "pretty spiffy GUI".

yay for T!

[multree]

and as I said I never got Tracktion to bounce correctly even with the b button pushed down

I had a few problems like that at first, but haven't noticed them since I installed the latest version of BFD.. might be coincidence though.

you're right... tried with latest versions of both and it works awesome.....

128 layers and 24bit take a while to render but I get no glitches AT ALL

superb...

I prefer the other rack method somebody else mentioned though

anyway thanks for the hint

[Ozpeter]

Any discussion of audio software has to recognise the "horses for courses" aspect, selecting the right tool for the job. The ProTools way of doing things has its place where time is not of the essence (and probably someone else is paying for the time anyway) and where external hardware is part of the mix. In many ways it harks back to the old analog workflow. But in other circumstances it's a completely wrong choice.

Here for instance I'm working on long recordings of classical concerts for radio, where a broadcast deadline means every minute counts, and PT would be useless (which is why you'll be far more likely to see Cool Edit/Audition in broadcast studios than PT). I recall showing a PT user how to prepare a 90' concert recording broadcast using Audition, and when the whole job was finished in under an hour his jaw literally dropped. We do have one guy using PT for such work and his jobs are always the last to be submitted!

But if you were wanting to run 80 tracks of 24/96 with hardware effects and a load of VST effects on every channel, and record midi, you wouldn't choose Audition.

[kritikon]

Even though that that picture looks like my extremely bloated and wire-networked synthmaker projects, it still manages to come up as "pretty spiffy GUI".

Really!

Wow. I was about to comment that Tracktion has got even uglier. I almost liked V1, but for various reasons it wasn't for me. V2 almost tempted me again with its extra features, but again it didn't really suit as a secondary host. But the GUI really sealed the deal for me...ewwwwwwwwwwww, I find it just nasty and cartoon-like.
It really is horses for courses. It just goes to show there's no accounting for taste. I think Tracktion is ugly...everyone else thinks my wife is ugly.


It's really satisfying knowing I'm the only one in the world who's right and everyone else is wrong (I sure fuckin' hope so anyway... )

[IIRs]

You realise you can change the skin?



Bet your wife can't do that

[Lunch Money]

People saying "ugly" is fine, but when people say "cartoon like" it gets my fur up for some reason.

The fake aluminum and wood panels, fake screws, and glowy LED-like things in most GUIs is WAY more "cartoon like" than Tracktion's flat appearance.

Also, T2 hasn't gotten "more" ugly, it's exactly identical to T1. The widgets haven't changed at all. And you can choose/set your own colour scheme, so you're not stuck with that default one.

Greg

[kritikon]

Also, T2 hasn't gotten "more" ugly, it's exactly identical to T1. The widgets haven't changed at all. And you can choose/set your own colour scheme, so you're not stuck with that default one.

OK...it's got even more identically ugly as the original.

[kritikon]

Bet your wife can't do that Razz

Oh, I don't know...when her eczema plays up....

[Lunch Money]

Also, T2 hasn't gotten "more" ugly, it's exactly identical to T1. The widgets haven't changed at all. And you can choose/set your own colour scheme, so you're not stuck with that default one.

OK...it's got even more identically ugly as the original.

Except for the ability to change colours, you are correct!

[Mr. Tunes]

The ProTools way of doing things has its place where time is not of the essence (and probably someone else is paying for the time anyway) and where external hardware is part of the mix. In many ways it harks back to the old analog workflow. But in other circumstances it's a completely wrong choice.

I'm totally confused how Pro Tools is a slow audio editing enviroment? It's used for Television shows all the time where you cant screw around with time. Made-For-TV movies get edited and mixed within a week or two in PT(or so i've heard).

Using quick keys you can blow through your edits super fast, and great integration with high-end fader controllers... the only part that will slow you down of course is your bounce

[Steve@ZooWest]

The ProTools way of doing things has its place where time is not of the essence (and probably someone else is paying for the time anyway) and where external hardware is part of the mix. In many ways it harks back to the old analog workflow.

As a fairly recent forum joiner, I'd like to say that rarely do I see such ignorance of the Pro Tools platform. Especially "the old analog workflow" comment - it's pretty clear that the original poster either has a bone to pick, or has never seen or used PT properly. Nice try though.

[RawTheory]

I own PTools 6.7 and Ableton Live 5 and I've completely given up on PTools in favor of Live. Its really like night and day to me. The interface and workflow of PTools feels positively archaic in comparison. Its layout is pretty esoteric to newcomers its audio editing capabilites, while commendable, feels cluncky. Its track limitation sucks. Its an even bigger cpu hog then Live. And its Rewire implementation with Reason 3 is annoying and slows workflow. Not to mention the fact that as a "creative instrument", Live positively blows it out of the water. Trying to get creative with Live, as an instrument in itself, literally takes seconds. With the cpu load that PTools needs and its track limitations, I get bogged down in compensating with bouncing and what not. (And I have a powerful computer: amd 3500+ 2 gigs ram, Digi 002) The worst part about Protools for me though is how finnicky it is with my PC. It loves to crash on me in the middle of working on a project. People say PTools is optimised for Mac....I say f*** that! Live and Reason work flawlessly on my PC and NIETHER OF THEM HAS CRASHED ONCE. Live's infinite tracks, its audio recording engine, its awesome Session view, its versitle non-destructive wave-form rendering engine, its ablity to easily automate every perameter of every plugin i use (mostly Waves), and its 1-step midi mapping capability, has me using Live from the beginning of every song with arrangement, to mixing, to on-stage usage, and yes even to mastering....All hail Abelton!:party: ....ProTools is over rated.

[paradiddle]

Has long has you don't time stretch anything in live, it's a fine app.

[Steve@ZooWest]

I own PTools 6.7 and Ableton Live 5 and I've completely given up on PTools in favor of Live.

Excellent - Live meets your needs, and that's great. Clearly, ProTools has it's strengths and weaknesses. For me, PT rocks.

Glad you're crash free - stability matters when you're trying to create. Carry on...

[jupiter8]

PT is simply cool for mixing BFD...

Tracktion never worked for me there.

Seems like a cue to wheel out this picture again:



The 2 Golden Audio Channels at the bottom are running in dual mono mode to provide EQ & compression for kick snare and 2 toms, and the whole thing is saved as a rack preset with my favorite kit set up ready to go.

<flame suit on>
And people wonder why i use Cubase.
<flame suit off>