KVR Audio

metalifuxx · Post by **metalifuxx** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:45 pm

try the Guitar Rig 2 LFOs and Modifiers. You can set two different A/B channels of effects in the same rig and have the Modifiers, LFOs, or any of the other signal routing effects manually or automatically switch between different effects like reverbs or delays for example. I don't know the Vortex, but it sounds like something Guitar Rig can pull off, as I was fiddling with some aforementioned Vortex-like effects last night.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:39 pm

The effects setting changes are indeed something like that. It's really incredible that the morph time can be set to something like a 20 ms to 2 second rate. There's even looping in there you can use the expression pedal to control.

But the peculiar effects that the Lexicon has I don't think I've ever really heard the like of in anything else hardware or software. Ahead of it's time it was never popular.

Click here for Lexicon Vortex User's Manual

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:17 am

as I can read from the manual, the morphing is just presets interpolation isn't it?

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:26 am

yep - it's the effects that make the looping crazy... the effects really do morph between settings like the Symptohm, though. All parameters meander or speed towards one another. I can't think of anything that sounds like it at all unless there's an emulation which is what I was initially hoping.

Rozzer · Post by **Rozzer** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:25 am

bobby yarrow wrote:I have Nitro and a Vortex, and I can't see where they'd be similar. Nitro is filters, Vortex is delays, basically.

Erm.... Nitro contains delays! Although they are called "Glide", which I believe matches the term used by the Vortex also. The similarity is that the delay output tap can be freely and smoothly moved back and forth. Beyond that, there may be no similarity at all, I dunno, but I'm sure that common feature means that you could get some very similar patches out of both.

mystahr · Post by **mystahr** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:02 am

I just want a real one

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:18 pm

I can't think of anything that sounds like it at all unless there's an emulation which is what I was initially hoping.

As are we all, mate...but if you want Lexicon sound, unfortunately you need to buy a Lexicon. You'll just have to make do with something else that patch morphs, but doesn't sound remotely anything like Lexicon.

atomota · Post by **atomota** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:18 pm

waiting man wrote:as I can read from the manual, the morphing is just presets interpolation isn't it?

"Just presets interpolation" is an understatement. It can morph between different algorithms, e.g., aerosol <-> bleen, which have different processing blocks and routings, and in the middle you get something even crazier than what you're starting with. I'd like a software Vortex for ease of editing and saving presets as well as tempo sync.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:44 am

atomota wrote:
waiting man wrote:as I can read from the manual, the morphing is just presets interpolation isn't it?
"Just presets interpolation" is an understatement. It can morph between different algorithms, e.g., aerosol <-> bleen, which have different processing blocks and routings, and in the middle you get something even crazier than what you're starting with. I'd like a software Vortex for ease of editing and saving presets as well as tempo sync.

Indeed. It's one of only a few things that make me yearn for hardware.
I'd think that they'd release it as a plugin - it's sound is much more for the electronic
music market & given that it wasn't made for very long for that reason it seems the simplest
way to make money off of it now would be to use the algorithms in a plugin.

On a side note how is it that people emulate digital hardware? I've read the specs on something
analog and understand how to emulate it (not that I personally could) but I don't see where you'd
even begin to make your own "bleen" as strange as that sounds.

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:57 am

atomota wrote:
waiting man wrote:as I can read from the manual, the morphing is just presets interpolation isn't it?
"Just presets interpolation" is an understatement. It can morph between different algorithms, e.g., aerosol <-> bleen, which have different processing blocks and routings, and in the middle you get something even crazier than what you're starting with. I'd like a software Vortex for ease of editing and saving presets as well as tempo sync.

so, that's another story, it seems. I was in fact asking.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:39 am

Creating and retrieving presets in on a Vortex is not a trivial undertaking.

It causes me shudders of terror to know that somewhere the Vortex is losing all my hard-earned presets in the hands of its actual owner.

dry bones · Post by **dry bones** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:41 am

As I haven't powered mine up yet, I'm going to wait and see what the previous owner of mine had his set up to do before I start messing things up. Whilst I'm on the subject, can any UK Vortex users advise me on a suitable PSU ( I have the original US one )?

Mumbai · Post by **Mumbai** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:35 am

The original PSU says

220 V AC 50 HZ prim.

9 V AC 1.5 A 13.5 VA secondary

Made by Bartec Germany

dry bones · Post by **dry bones** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:43 pm

Thanks- I'll see what Maplins have to offer.

woodster · Post by **woodster** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:17 am

The Vortex ROCKS.
It was never very popular here in the U.K. as the build quality was pretty suspect.
It's funny how the vortex and Jam Man were scorned on release by many, but now have Cult status.
I would NEVER part with my vortex and also have an MPX-1 which has some of the Vortex algorithms with the benefit of Reverb and MIDI
control!!!, But it lacks the immediacy of the Vortex which I think is its major strength

Lexicon Vortex emulation?