waves ssl demo is here.

[bmanic]

Well, I for one, has been lured into this "pro sound" thing too. Before I had the Sintefex I could swear that it creates that "pro sheen" on everything. Now after about a year of use I've noticed that it's a kind of illusion. In the beginning I could clearly hear how everything that I ran trough it sounded better (wich didn't make me "push" the unit to it's limits, I simply selected something) but I've come to realise, now that I'm more familiar with the sound, that it's just another spice that I can use to flavour the track.
Just recently I got a wakeup call again when I was testing the latest Hydratone beta against a different beta version. One has a silky smooth interface, knobs have no zipper effect, where as the other has laggy graphics update and horrible zipper sounds when moving the knobs. My conclusion? That the one with fast graphics and smooth knobs sounded better. Well, it didn't, they sound exactly the same (ABX testing after Salvator pointed this out showed this to be true). Placebo, my dearest of friends.

Actually, I don't know what I wanted to say but there you have it!

Cheers!
bManic

[defjamm]

you judge about something just from these files lol?

Sure, because Waves claims to have modeled the SSL. So i expect at least the scaling on the knobs is correct...

in the other test more people liked the waves more than the hardware, but that doesn't mean a lot.

It doesn't mean anything. There were also people hearing, that 2 + 3 were similar, not 1 + 3.
In both examples, the Waves sounds the same and is clearly the worst.

you should test things on your own.

That is correct, but why try the Waves, if it already failed at these tests so clearly for me? Better i'll try the URS.

clearly the worst? the waves was even in front of the hardware in the first poll, then the results were given and the hardware caught on(yeah, yeah, some guys here things better, when they know which is which).
same thing in the second poll, when the results were posted the hardware took the lead clearly. in blind-tests actually many of the 'analog is superior, digital-sucks'-guys miserably fail.
i remember the same thing when qclone was released and somebody posted examples of hardware and qclone, many were wrong in their choice and admitted the differences to be minimal. the waves-comp is modelled after a different hardware-comp than the one used, so what's the point comparing them. the original hardware-comp would also sound different than the one used in this 'test'.

i love blind-tests with eqs, using the same freq. with the same gain and the same q with the same loudness.
i agree, the most important thing for 'pro-sound' is the engineer, a good engineer will achieve great results just with freeware(and we have GREAT freeware nowadays).

[martian]

Just recently I got a wakeup call again when I was testing the latest Hydratone beta against a different beta version. One has a silky smooth interface, knobs have no zipper effect, where as the other has laggy graphics update and horrible zipper sounds when moving the knobs. My conclusion? That the one with fast graphics and smooth knobs sounded better. Well, it didn't, they sound exactly the same (ABX testing after Salvator pointed this out showed this to be true). Placebo, my dearest of friends.

Actually, I don't know what I wanted to say but there you have it!

Cheers!
bManic

hehe, saw that. subtle adjustments whilst the eq is bypassed is my speciality.

i believe honesty is one of the most important factors in bringing the best out of yourself as an engineer. like i said in another post, esp with this new software era we have the ability to achieve new levels of objectivity, and that can possibly lead to better recordings than many quality concerns.

regards,

[Barbarossa]

clearly the worst?

For me yes.

the waves was even in front of the hardware in the first poll, then the results were given and the hardware caught on(yeah, yeah, some guys here things better, when they know which is which).

1. The differences are not that subtle. I think i described some of them quite clearly.
2. The placebo effect is well known to me and i'm often enough endangered by it myself. I don't claim to hear things, if i'm not really sure. In this case i am.
And in this example, there was nothing for a placebo to work. It was a blind test and this can't be compared to gear, that is put into the signal chain. Ofcourse the gear has psychological effects, but how can this be equated to this kind of test?

Last but not least: it's funny if people claim here, that even freeware delivers pro-sound if the right engineer uses it it...
Please forgive me, if this topic is finished for me now.

[Sascha Franck]

Last but not least: it's funny if people claim here, that even freeware delivers pro-sound if the right engineer uses it it...
Please forgive me, if this topic is finished for me now.

Does that mean you don't believe there's freeware delivering professional sound quality?

If so, I'm afraid you didn't try what's out there...

[bmanic]

Freeware that outperforms a lot of commerical software IMHO:

PLPar 3-band eq (not sure if they distribute this anymore)
Posihfopit EQ
WWAYM EQ
Everything from digitalfishphones.com
Daniels stuff (TLs mastering maximizer, TLs pocket limiter etc.)
SIR
Voxengo Boogex

not to mention all the fantastic synths that are too many to mention..

Cheers!
bManic

[Kingston]

Last but not least: it's funny if people claim here, that even freeware delivers pro-sound if the right engineer uses it it...
Please forgive me, if this topic is finished for me now.

the only thing funny (and sad) here is someone stating closing liners like that.



oh dear what an ignorant jackass.


bmanic, about that hydratone placebo thing... I admit it too. whoopsiedaisies.

[championrabbit]

Everything from digitalfishphones.com

This is a classic case to mention since it's now (as I understand it) used in the (unarguably 'pro') Samplitude.

According to the kinds of people who throw around the phrase 'pro' as if it's a little box that only 'pros' are allowed access to with a single dial on the side, displaying the 'Pro-ness' legend, DigitalFishPhones stuff was not 'pro' until it was available as part of Samplitude, at which point is suddenly (and magically) became 'pro'.

I've worked with several (rock) producers who are undoubtedly 'pro' in the sense that you would know their records, and listened to them turn a great track into purest bullshit using EMI, Neve and SSL desks and the finest outboard stuff money can buy.

I've worked with no-name producers using Mackie desks, Logic and RADAR and listened to them create pure magic.

Anybody using the word 'pro' to describe anything other than a professional work-ethic is talking utter bollocks.

[ChimeraMan]

I run a RADAR II with a PT HD and Logic through an Amek Nemesis. Does that mean I create pure magic?

[snooky]

I run a RADAR II with a PT HD and Logic through an Amek Nemesis. Does that mean I create pure magic?

not likely....RADAR is a piece of shit.

[Kingston]

radar only makes what are possibly the best AD/DA converters in the world and are quite expensive.. Therefore they must be shite! Right?

[jmh]

Of course they have to be shite, they're not free!

[championrabbit]

I run a RADAR II with a PT HD and Logic through an Amek Nemesis. Does that mean I create pure magic?

I think you may have missed the point I was trying to make...

[KP2006]

Freeware that outperforms a lot of commerical software IMHO:

PLPar 3-band eq (not sure if they distribute this anymore)
Posihfopit EQ
WWAYM EQ
Everything from digitalfishphones.com
Daniels stuff (TLs mastering maximizer, TLs pocket limiter etc.)
SIR
Voxengo Boogex

not to mention all the fantastic synths that are too many to mention..

Cheers!
bManic

SUBJECT---> WWAYM EQ
bmanic, I can't get to this website . i don't know if it's down or not. Could you Post it here so I can download this Free EQ Plugin "WWAYM EQ"??????

Thanks,

KP2006

[9b0]

SUBJECT---> WWAYM EQ
bmanic, I can't get to this website . i don't know if it's down or not. Could you Post it here so I can download this Free EQ Plugin "WWAYM EQ"??????

Thanks,

KP2006

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