but you will get a higher bill aswell
in short it seems you can get a cheaper track count from windows hardware not quite the same as a lower track count (unless your broke like me)
Subz
tracktion on a mac
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
get a new intell mac & then you will get a higher track count
but you will get a higher bill aswell
in short it seems you can get a cheaper track count from windows hardware not quite the same as a lower track count (unless your broke like me)
Subz
but you will get a higher bill aswell
in short it seems you can get a cheaper track count from windows hardware not quite the same as a lower track count (unless your broke like me)
Subz
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
Regarding recovering data from the hard drives....
1. DON'T SHAKE THE HDDs ANY MORE IF YOU WANT SOME HOPE OF RECOVERY.
2. You might be able to do some of this yerself. Spend 20$ at egghead.com and buy a 2.5" HDD USB enclosure. Take care in loading the lappy drive(s) into the enclosure and see if you get lucky. Don't press on the HDD or the enclosure in any way - you can zing the head right into the platter really fast (if it wasn't done already).
Some local shops haven't figured out how to do this very simple thing). A friend that had an HP desktop tank on him took it to a well-known local shop. This guy spent tons of time unmounting the drive, putting it into a new PC, and burning CDs off of the old HDD.
My friend does pro graphic design, so I told him I would buy him an enclosure and if it worked, would he work up some logo work I needed done. I invested about $25 (3.5" enclosures cost more than the 2.5"). Worked famously - I have logos, he has his old hard drive connected via USB to his new Lappy and hasn't touched the stack of CD-Rs the local shop burned for him and cost him a couple hundred $(labor time).
Try this first before going to a local shop. It's a 20$ investment that could save you major bucks and time. If it doesn't work, keep the enclosure and buy a cheap 2.5" drive for it - great for project backups.
here's one for $20 at Compusa.com
http://www.compusa.com/products/product ... 0&pfp=cat3
Best Wishes.
-Scott
1. DON'T SHAKE THE HDDs ANY MORE IF YOU WANT SOME HOPE OF RECOVERY.
2. You might be able to do some of this yerself. Spend 20$ at egghead.com and buy a 2.5" HDD USB enclosure. Take care in loading the lappy drive(s) into the enclosure and see if you get lucky. Don't press on the HDD or the enclosure in any way - you can zing the head right into the platter really fast (if it wasn't done already).
Some local shops haven't figured out how to do this very simple thing). A friend that had an HP desktop tank on him took it to a well-known local shop. This guy spent tons of time unmounting the drive, putting it into a new PC, and burning CDs off of the old HDD.
My friend does pro graphic design, so I told him I would buy him an enclosure and if it worked, would he work up some logo work I needed done. I invested about $25 (3.5" enclosures cost more than the 2.5"). Worked famously - I have logos, he has his old hard drive connected via USB to his new Lappy and hasn't touched the stack of CD-Rs the local shop burned for him and cost him a couple hundred $(labor time).
Try this first before going to a local shop. It's a 20$ investment that could save you major bucks and time. If it doesn't work, keep the enclosure and buy a cheap 2.5" drive for it - great for project backups.
here's one for $20 at Compusa.com
http://www.compusa.com/products/product ... 0&pfp=cat3
Best Wishes.
-Scott
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
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- KVRian
- 703 posts since 15 Aug, 2005
So far I haven't had problems with audio tracks. I've only run into performance issues when I start piling on the VSTi's. On the Powerbook, I've only been recording myself, so I don't know for sure about how many live tracks I can record at once - I've only done two at once, recording stereo mics or guitars. When I get to the mixing stage, I sometimes bump up the buffers to help avoid problems. I'm pretty happy with the WaveArts Power Trio I recently bought, which has been light on the CPU usage with really good sound. I used to record with 1gb of ram, and it's been better since I maxed it out to 2gb. I'll try to keep my eye on the forums here and at Mackie in case I might be able to help once you're running the new Powerbook. Hope you like it!lharless wrote:im concerned about a performance drop, obviously. and now that i hear that macs are less effective at highre track counts, i am more concerned.
as long as im able to get 16 tracks with some overdubs, using sparse/light cpu effects, and come up with a decent sounding project, ill be happy as a lark.
im going to love the mac OS, im just not going to like the lower track count i suppose. can anybody confirm or debunk the lo track count theory?
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 17 Dec, 2004 from IRELAND
If you use 16/44.1 for your recording and limit plug-ins and processing to post production where you can bounce tracks together eg. drums a Mac should do. Just get as much ram as possible and experiment before you commit to an important live project.
Regards
Dave
Regards
Dave
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- KVRist
- 268 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from kentucky
iharless,
Good luck. I think the powerbook will work fine. You also need to budget for an external hd if you don't have one and a disc defrag utility.
http://www.applelinks.com/index.php/mor ... e_trouble/
Download and run onyx free system maintenance once per week.
Some of the most effective system optimization things you can do:
Switch color resolution to thousands
Turn off Dock effects
Turn off widgets in Tiger
Check out the missing manual on OSX by David Pogue.
Good luck. I think the powerbook will work fine. You also need to budget for an external hd if you don't have one and a disc defrag utility.
http://www.applelinks.com/index.php/mor ... e_trouble/
Download and run onyx free system maintenance once per week.
Some of the most effective system optimization things you can do:
Switch color resolution to thousands
Turn off Dock effects
Turn off widgets in Tiger
Check out the missing manual on OSX by David Pogue.
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- KVRAF
- 27007 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
You should be fine with track count. I would definately get the 15" powerbook over the 12 for screen space.
You also have the option in the future of getting the powercore which connects by firewire
http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreCompact
It is not that expensive and it gives you some serious processing power and does not strain your cpu.
You also have the option in the future of getting the powercore which connects by firewire
http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreCompact
It is not that expensive and it gives you some serious processing power and does not strain your cpu.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
rockstar_not wrote:Regarding recovering data from the hard drives....
1. DON'T SHAKE THE HDDs ANY MORE IF YOU WANT SOME HOPE OF RECOVERY.
2. You might be able to do some of this yerself. Spend 20$ at egghead.com and buy a 2.5" HDD USB enclosure. Take care in loading the lappy drive(s) into the enclosure and see if you get lucky. Don't press on the HDD or the enclosure in any way - you can zing the head right into the platter really fast (if it wasn't done already).
Some local shops haven't figured out how to do this very simple thing). A friend that had an HP desktop tank on him took it to a well-known local shop. This guy spent tons of time unmounting the drive, putting it into a new PC, and burning CDs off of the old HDD.
My friend does pro graphic design, so I told him I would buy him an enclosure and if it worked, would he work up some logo work I needed done. I invested about $25 (3.5" enclosures cost more than the 2.5"). Worked famously - I have logos, he has his old hard drive connected via USB to his new Lappy and hasn't touched the stack of CD-Rs the local shop burned for him and cost him a couple hundred $(labor time).
Try this first before going to a local shop. It's a 20$ investment that could save you major bucks and time. If it doesn't work, keep the enclosure and buy a cheap 2.5" drive for it - great for project backups.
here's one for $20 at Compusa.com
http://www.compusa.com/products/product ... 0&pfp=cat3
Best Wishes.
-Scott
hey man! wow, you know, i was so upset about this that i hadn't thought of that. i've heard of it before. probably would have thought of it in a day or two. i did just as you mentioned... i have a few of those things laying around for just the purpose of backing things up. tried it, and damned if the data wasn't still there! wow! great!
so i now have the edits and files on another drive. the data is safe. ready for the new mac and when im up and running, im ready to rock and roll!
thanks you every so much for the idea! you may have saved my reputation. ...sigh of relief....
lee
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
awesome man! you're a great guy!mikebeck wrote:I'll try to keep my eye on the forums here and at Mackie in case I might be able to help once you're running the new Powerbook. Hope you like it!
thanks! i really may need you later on, in a couple weeks or less. i do thank you for your information. many thanks!
lee
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
james and dave, thank you for the good info as well!
such a nice response. my nerves are calming already.
good info. the powercore sounds tight! i've been looking at those for a while.
this machine will be used for audio, and internet browsing for updates and email. thats it. so i guess i could do a few tweaks to it accordingly.
using the web with it is already gonna drop the performance i suppose, but im not really willing to not be able to surf with it, ha!
thanks again!
such a nice response. my nerves are calming already.
good info. the powercore sounds tight! i've been looking at those for a while.
this machine will be used for audio, and internet browsing for updates and email. thats it. so i guess i could do a few tweaks to it accordingly.
using the web with it is already gonna drop the performance i suppose, but im not really willing to not be able to surf with it, ha!
thanks again!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
great idea! im all over it. this looks like a nice addition.pdxindy wrote:You should be fine with track count. I would definately get the 15" powerbook over the 12 for screen space.
You also have the option in the future of getting the powercore which connects by firewire
http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreCompact
It is not that expensive and it gives you some serious processing power and does not strain your cpu.
or the waves thing... if that runs on mac.. i think it does if i read the paper right. i already own a waves bundle, but im afraid it will screw up my performance all to hell on this thing, so im planning on seeing what i can do to sell the liscence.. i don't know... im still in a daze.
ill figure it out.
thanks fellas for all your help. im going to order the machine right now and get a little rest. tomorrow happens pretty fast around here, haha!
lee
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
ok fellas, i've orderes the machine. i got 2gigs of ram on the 15" G4 powerbook, with a superdrive. i think ill be good to go.
i discussed this with my buddy in town, and he says we'll be fine with this one on remote multitracking jobs. im happy now.
thans for all the help!
and stick close by, i may need you, come 5-8 business days. ha!
i discussed this with my buddy in town, and he says we'll be fine with this one on remote multitracking jobs. im happy now.
thans for all the help!
and stick close by, i may need you, come 5-8 business days. ha!
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- KVRist
- 313 posts since 19 Apr, 2005
i use tracktion on my iBook mainly to do postprocessing / mastering stuff, and i can tell you that working with 13 tracks 24/48 brings the iBook hd to its knees, it's not able to stream enough data.
On the cpu side stuff is a little better, as i said i do mastering stuff (for my own songs and my band) and using 1 stereo track and a rack made of:
.some reverb
.mda Image
.Final Mix
.a waves L1 clone (i can't remember the name)
.Inspector
.psp Vintage meter
uses about 40% - 50% of the cpu (keep in mind that final mix it a heavy plug!) that's on a very old iBook G4 933.
I don't know if you will be able to record 16 tracks (not for sure if you use the internal hd) but judge for yourself!
ps.
i of course have the 64 bit engine turned on!
On the cpu side stuff is a little better, as i said i do mastering stuff (for my own songs and my band) and using 1 stereo track and a rack made of:
.some reverb
.mda Image
.Final Mix
.a waves L1 clone (i can't remember the name)
.Inspector
.psp Vintage meter
uses about 40% - 50% of the cpu (keep in mind that final mix it a heavy plug!) that's on a very old iBook G4 933.
I don't know if you will be able to record 16 tracks (not for sure if you use the internal hd) but judge for yourself!
ps.
i of course have the 64 bit engine turned on!
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
Lee,lharless wrote:rockstar_not wrote:Regarding recovering data from the hard drives....
1. DON'T SHAKE THE HDDs ANY MORE IF YOU WANT SOME HOPE OF RECOVERY.
2. You might be able to do some of this yerself. Spend 20$ at egghead.com and buy a 2.5" HDD USB enclosure. Take care in loading the lappy drive(s) into the enclosure and see if you get lucky. Don't press on the HDD or the enclosure in any way - you can zing the head right into the platter really fast (if it wasn't done already).
Some local shops haven't figured out how to do this very simple thing). A friend that had an HP desktop tank on him took it to a well-known local shop. This guy spent tons of time unmounting the drive, putting it into a new PC, and burning CDs off of the old HDD.
My friend does pro graphic design, so I told him I would buy him an enclosure and if it worked, would he work up some logo work I needed done. I invested about $25 (3.5" enclosures cost more than the 2.5"). Worked famously - I have logos, he has his old hard drive connected via USB to his new Lappy and hasn't touched the stack of CD-Rs the local shop burned for him and cost him a couple hundred $(labor time).
Try this first before going to a local shop. It's a 20$ investment that could save you major bucks and time. If it doesn't work, keep the enclosure and buy a cheap 2.5" drive for it - great for project backups.
here's one for $20 at Compusa.com
http://www.compusa.com/products/product ... 0&pfp=cat3
Best Wishes.
-Scott
hey man! wow, you know, i was so upset about this that i hadn't thought of that. i've heard of it before. probably would have thought of it in a day or two. i did just as you mentioned... i have a few of those things laying around for just the purpose of backing things up. tried it, and damned if the data wasn't still there! wow! great!
so i now have the edits and files on another drive. the data is safe. ready for the new mac and when im up and running, im ready to rock and roll!
thanks you every so much for the idea! you may have saved my reputation. ...sigh of relief....
lee
I'm glad this worked out for you. That would have been a real drag losing all of your stuff. Now you have a drive that you can use as a backup drive for the projects on your new Mac lappy. Better yet, get a gigantic 3.5" HDD for nearly free and put that in an enclosure for backups.
-Scott
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
i backed everything up off of the old "iffy hdd" to the girlfriends computer until i can get a few externals.
and ill never track to the internal hdd. nobody does that anymore. it's just not smart. im thinking of getting an external 3.5" 10,000 rpm in a firewire enclosure. and a couple cheapo drives for backup/storage. it only makes sense... so much sense.
i think ill be ok.
now on to fixing the hole in the dome of my alesis m1a mkii monitor woofer that i just noticed last night. it's a hole about the size of a pencil diameter in the center of the dome on the woofer. im trying to devise a way to fix this... and the broken set of sony mdr-7506.
man, all of my tabletop stuff got ruined. im not liking this at all.
the G4 ended up costing 2300bucks. i got the G4 powerbook 15" with 2 gigs and it's way expensive. i don't know if ill have the scratch to lay down on any new monitors. i may have to do the old nail polish trick for a while on the dome and get a pair of tracking phones to replace the mdrs.
and ill never track to the internal hdd. nobody does that anymore. it's just not smart. im thinking of getting an external 3.5" 10,000 rpm in a firewire enclosure. and a couple cheapo drives for backup/storage. it only makes sense... so much sense.
i think ill be ok.
now on to fixing the hole in the dome of my alesis m1a mkii monitor woofer that i just noticed last night. it's a hole about the size of a pencil diameter in the center of the dome on the woofer. im trying to devise a way to fix this... and the broken set of sony mdr-7506.
man, all of my tabletop stuff got ruined. im not liking this at all.
the G4 ended up costing 2300bucks. i got the G4 powerbook 15" with 2 gigs and it's way expensive. i don't know if ill have the scratch to lay down on any new monitors. i may have to do the old nail polish trick for a while on the dome and get a pair of tracking phones to replace the mdrs.
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