KVR Audio

safeaim · Post by **safeaim** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:30 pm

If one uses a warezed version of a software which goes around the EULA and you never agree to it, but still use the software, is one still legaly binded to the contract?

SKoT_FX · Post by **SKoT_FX** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:33 pm

hee hee, this is a fun thread. Well, I gotta get back to creating some more software... or should that be "engineering", since certain factions deny the involvement of the creative process in instrument and sound creation. Nooo, I didn't say that! Quick, my asbestos suit! arrrrrrrrgh

mm_FX · Post by **mm_FX** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:33 pm

Just to clarify, there is no problem with using BFD for your music or other creative works. The license is quite clear about that. What there is a problem with is making new sample libraries with it, commercial or otherwise, without our permission. This is because it could compete with our own product, and it devalues it for people who own it. In this case we chose to allow it, as the scope of what Hans is doing is not a threat to us, and there was no malicious intent. We're good enough to examine each case on its own circumstances. If someone was making money from doing something similar, the terms would not be the same. Is this really so hard to understand?

As Angus said, it's a 2-way thing. Sticking to those rules is the user's part of the deal. Ours is to support the product when new OS's come out, fix bugs, add new features and give tech support.

As someone brought the hardware argument into it - to get new features like the ones we add is rare with hardware, and certainly unheard of for free. What's the hardware alternative in this case? Well, to record your own drums. And even though it's easy to dismiss this as a trivial, 'uncreative' task (I'll let others debate the uselessness of people like George Martin, James Brown, Steve Albini, Trevor Horn etc), anyone who's ever tried will tell you it takes at least a day of mic-ing up, money to hire mics, pre's, studio space and all the other equipment needed, and the *paid* time of the people who have the knowledge and expertise to do it well. It costs a hell of a lot more in money, time and stress than the cost of BFD and its expansion packs.

gareth_fx · Post by **gareth_fx** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:36 pm

I cant believe this thread is actually still going on.

The one and only person it actually concerns is a happy bunny , no one died , got run over , had there cat stolen.

So please for the sake of all that is good and wholesome in the world. Can we please please please just drop it.....

Its like watching paint dry whilst having small paper clips inserted under your fingernails ie boring and painful.

Cheers!!!!!

GFX

SKoT_FX · Post by **SKoT_FX** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:41 pm

Oi you lot, get some verk done! hee hee... I think an "FX lurk thread of the day" award is in order!

gareth_fx · Post by **gareth_fx** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:43 pm

*scurries back to mouse hole*

Drainage · Post by **Drainage** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:52 pm

They are back... check www.drainagemusic.nl and have them your way

Now stop fighting and go and create some music

Thanks to SKoT and all the guys and gals at FXpansion for just being good people. If you're ever around, we will have beers together

Hans.

opia · Post by **opia** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:14 pm

The Lord shall smite you all with righteous fury

liars&ashes · Post by **liars&ashes** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:17 pm

----Hey, I'm glad to have been wrong in this particular case, because as most of us seem to know, the copyright issue is extremely serious and fairly ugly these days. Props to FXpansion/Steve Duda for not only allowing this use of their samples, but endorsing it, I still have to assume this an exception to the rule type of situation, but it's a good precedent at any rate.

Jeff

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:48 pm

Why is this thread still going?! I lost interest in it moments after asking about the copyright.

6 pages! All for some .MP3 loops.

Now that they are back up, why not some release them in an industry standard format? .WAV!!

TexasMusicForge · Post by **TexasMusicForge** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:32 pm

Amid all the arguing, there hasn't been enough of a nod to Drainage for the quality of the playing and the excellent samples (can't really call them loops yet, can we?) involved. I'd like to see these in .wav format, but am sure happy to have them. Thanks, "D", for making these available in the first place. You are welcome to sit in with my band anytime you're in the Austin area, mate...

Tio Ed
Austin, Texas
Land O' 10,000 Guitarists (one of them with some new drum samples)

Drainage · Post by **Drainage** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:51 pm

Thanks mate... Have fun with them.

G-Ro124 · Post by **G-Ro124** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:36 pm

ENOUGH

FXPANSION HAS MADE THEIR DECISION. COPY RIGHT POLICE, GO BACK INTO YOUR LITTLE HOLE AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT DECISION!!!!

DRAINAGE, THANK YOU!!!

EVERYONE ELSE WHO RESPONDED, THANKS!!!

NOW, STOP

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:12 pm

Yeah but no but...

SampleScience · Post by **SampleScience** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:28 am

nickkbh wrote:So what about posting midi files.....with a describtion and suggestions of what drums to use...that would actually be way cooler.
And i could use dfh instead of bfd,or maybe guru or ultrabeat or one of the OTHER sample librarys out there......

Good suggestion, midi's would be cool too, & these kind of files doesn't take a lot of bandswitch to distribute.

Royalty Free Drumloops (new here ;)