Will a drum tool be a valuable addition to T2?

[Slacknote]

I've been whining about it for some time and I'm starting to think that I'm the only one who'd like to see a drum tool implemented in the midi editor of T2.

So I'm going to run a poll if no one repsonds I'm going to drop it forever.

So in the midi editor we have a new tool:

When you select the drumstick and click in the midi clip you'll get a little diamond shaped note *on* the time line, *not* after it. When you click again the dot disappears. If you click and drag you'll get a stream of dots.
The results will look like this:


*No* fancy Cubase crap like drummaps, note names or note lengths per note, just a little stick that drops diamonds.

[ThereIsNoLimitEr]

Yes indeed! You are not the only one who wants this. It's probably the thing I miss the most in T and the only thing I miss from Cubase.

I sometimes make drumbeats with midi drum pads and the hits show up as extremely short notes in the midi editor, making them impossible to select without zooming to a ridiculous level. Of course I can select all notes and make them all longer but to just have dots or diamonds like in your example would be perfect and save me that editing step.

Carl

[Slacknote]

Yes indeed! You are not the only one who wants this. It's probably the thing I miss the most in T and the only thing I miss from Cubase.

I sometimes make drumbeats with midi drum pads and the hits show up as extremely short notes in the midi editor, making them impossible to select without zooming to a ridiculous level.

Haha, I didn't want to mention it but yes, I feel the same about Cubase, I've found myself going back to Cubase over and over again just for that drum tool.

And your argument about the midi pads is a brilliant one, I hadn't even thought about that.
I started out sequencing with Cubase 1.01 on a 386 pc, then went to Cakewalk 8, Cakewalk 9, Cubase VST, Nuendo, Cubase SX1, Reason, Cubase SX2 and every damned time I went back just for that damned drum tool!
I'm very determined to stay with T2 even without a drum tool, but *if* Mackie ever gets it right, I'll erase the name Cubase from my mind forever.

[mcnelson]

Hell yes - that drum stuff was the only thing I ever liked about Cubase...BRING IT ON!

[Slacknote]

Hell yes - that drum stuff was the only thing I ever liked about Cubase...BRING IT ON!

LOL I opened a can of worms here, but you're right.
I don't think it can be that hard to implement, because basically everything is just there, all you need to ad is an extra stick that doesn't drops rectangels but diamonds!

[naturestoned]

yes!!!!
Very Impportant feature. Drum editing without any extra tools is very limited in Tracktion2 at the moment.

- User definable Drum Maps and names for the single instruments for NON-GM Drum Modules (BFD, DKFH2 etc or to layer more than one drum machine).

- Arranging the rows for every instruments,

... just take a look at a host starting with a C. I switched to Tracktion2 but I really miss good drum editing features.

maybe a cooperation with xings & modulRs stepbeater, which I use at the moment could evolve to a fixed part in Tracktion???

[pHz]

why diamonds ??? surely dots would be more tracktionesque ???

slainte rob

[Slacknote]

why diamonds?

I was just thinking about that on my bike into town...
The reason why you want diamonds for drums is that drums & percussion are the only instruments where you program program rolls and flams for. If you program a 2 bar snare roll with 1/32 notes because of the sharp upper and lower points of the diamond you can still see what you're doing. If you would do this with squares your screen gets completely clogged. With dots the the effect is a wee bit less, but diamonds are still the best.

Back in the day when I was programming symphonic rock drums in Cubase my favourite trick was to drop a diamond kick it back 1/64, drop another one and lower the velocity of the first one. I used to do this with snares and toms, worked like a charm.

[Slacknote]

- User definable Drum Maps and names for the single instruments
- Arranging the rows for every instruments

Dont'get to greedy
Frist a drum tool, then we'll take it from there.

[Slacknote]

why diamonds?

And also: the idea that a drum hit has no "length", it's just an infinite point in time.

[zOap]

why diamonds?

And also: the idea that a drum hit has no "length", it's just an infinite point in time.

Well, messing with drum hit lengths is a very usable effect,
but I agree a drum tool would certainly speed things up. But there
should be some sort of translation. Like a switch, view it in drum diamonds, or view it in ordinary midi. That way people could edit the length without the sad sad cubase way of handling note lengths.

Simplicity is the key here. It shouldn't take too much room.

[Slacknote]

a switch, view it in drum diamonds, or view it in ordinary midi. That way people could edit the length without the sad sad cubase way of handling note lengths.

Simplicity is the key here. It shouldn't take too much room.

GOOD GOD!
That's a brilliant idea!

[pHz]

i dont mind the idea of the drum grid actually ... theres just something about the diamonds i dont like the look of ...

slainte rob

[Slacknote]

i dont mind the idea of the drum grid actually ... theres just something about the diamonds i dont like the look of ...

slainte rob

Well it's not really about the looks is it?
If you would like something nice to look at there're plenty spaces on the net that cater for it, aren't there?

[pHz]

i dont mind the idea of the drum grid actually ... theres just something about the diamonds i dont like the look of ...
slainte rob

Well it's not really about the looks is it?

nah ... youre right ... GUI isnt important ... commandline tools are where its at ...

slainte rob