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BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:48 am

To me it seems much like saying that the stand-alone version of KORG Legacy Collection is sooooooo much better than the plugin because it never crashes and uses less CPU. In fact I think I'd take the stand-alone Legacy Collection over Reason, it has more of the kind of things I want and way less of the krap I don't need.

_oswald · Post by **_oswald** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:51 am

Teksonik wrote:Hey I'm a prick! The point is that you CAN'T RECORD AUDIO into Reason without other software. Why not just buy a real Music Production Suite to begin with and stop fuc*ing with work arounds. Why is it that whenever the discussion of Reason comes up I get this strange feeling that some people haven't actually paid for the software and hence don't get the poor value for money that Reason represents. Get some sleep Robocop.

Because some people probalby find the options (or limitations) provided by the included samplers to be beneficial to their way of working.

Then again, that sums up why anyone uses anything.

superddman · Post by **superddman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:23 am

reason sucks, let the thread continue........... hehe jk

Here is my short view of reason:

Pros
- low cpu usage
- good drum machine
- cool sampler
- included samples are nice
- i like matrix

Cons
- horrible sequencer, don't know if I ever seen anything worst, maybe trackers
- outdated synths
- the rack, i don't need no rack on my computer hehe
- small screen resolution, you can separate the rack from sequencer but for this you really should have two monitors
- the automation is just bad (please take a look at logic)
- no audio recording
- very, very, very bad piano roll, can't stand it!
- cost
- fx also outdated

That's the basics. Simply put, reason does not offer much to me at this point

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:36 am

BONES wrote:To me it seems much like saying that the stand-alone version of KORG Legacy Collection is sooooooo much better than the plugin because it never crashes and uses less CPU. In fact I think I'd take the stand-alone Legacy Collection over Reason, it has more of the kind of things I want and way less of the krap I don't need.

I'd take a redneck who f**ks his sister over a smarmy self righteous tossweasel like you anyday - he can get me drugs and let me boink his cat, and none of that reality crap that I don't need.

superddman: LMAO at outdated synths!

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:37 am

superddman wrote:Here is my short view of reason:

Pros
- low cpu usage
- good drum machine
- cool sampler
- included samples are nice
- i like matrix

Cons
- horrible sequencer, don't know if I ever seen anything worst, maybe trackers
- outdated synths
- the rack, i don't need no rack on my computer hehe
- small screen resolution, you can separate the rack from sequencer but for this you really should have two monitors
- the automation is just bad (please take a look at logic)
- no audio recording
- very, very, very bad piano roll, can't stand it!
- cost
- fx also outdated

Yeah, the automation is just incredibly shity. Just about every other sequencer on the planet now uses some form of spline based editing. Their whole antiquated MIDI style of automation just plain sucks ass.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:44 am

Yep. I agree. Juno 106's suck ass too, because I mean, they use that old tired method of synthesis and they don't have vector features. Oh, and Beethoven.. boy he sucked, I mean.. who uses a piano .. really... old piece of technology that... shit !!

C'mon you penisheads.. its a program! A TOOL! TOOL! TOOL! It doesn't dictate what comes out of it. I happen to think Orion and Sonar suck donkey cock for the stuff I do, but I'm not starting flame wars over it. Immature felchers

superddman · Post by **superddman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:48 am

Amberience wrote:Yep. I agree. Juno 106's suck ass too, because I mean, they use that old tired method of synthesis and they don't have vector features. Oh, and Beethoven.. boy he sucked, I mean.. who uses a piano .. really... old piece of technology that... shit !!

C'mon you penisheads.. its a program! A TOOL! TOOL! TOOL! It doesn't dictate what comes out of it. I happen to think Orion and Sonar suck donkey cock for the stuff I do, but I'm not starting flame wars over it. Immature felchers

I prefer to use good tools. Makes life easier. On the other hand, you can go ahead and start making music banging on garbage cans if tools dont make a difference to you.

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:49 am

...now we're sharing the same dream
And our hearts they beat as one
No more love on the run...

Yagushi · Post by **Yagushi** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:52 am

Amberience wrote:C'mon you penisheads.. its a program! A TOOL! TOOL! TOOL! It doesn't dictate what comes out of it. I happen to think Orion and Sonar suck donkey cock for the stuff I do, but I'm not starting flame wars over it. Immature felchers

Speaking of tools...

Thanks for sharing your opinion in such a dignified manner...

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:52 am

superddman wrote:
Amberience wrote:Yep. I agree. Juno 106's suck ass too, because I mean, they use that old tired method of synthesis and they don't have vector features. Oh, and Beethoven.. boy he sucked, I mean.. who uses a piano .. really... old piece of technology that... shit !!

C'mon you penisheads.. its a program! A TOOL! TOOL! TOOL! It doesn't dictate what comes out of it. I happen to think Orion and Sonar suck donkey cock for the stuff I do, but I'm not starting flame wars over it. Immature felchers
I prefer to use good tools. Makes life easier. On the other hand, you can go ahead and start making music banging on garbage cans if tools dont make a difference to you.

Since you mention it, I have banged on pots and pans to make music. I have used a kazoo, I have used a guitar, I have used a bass, I have used my vocals, I have used samples, I have used field recordings, I have used recordings of farts and burps, I have sampled pornos, movies, other songs, I have tickled my girlfriend to get her to laugh so I could record that, I once teased my dog a little to get him to bark, and recorded that.

But hey... if Logic gives you that tarnce sound, good for you!!

Easier isn't always the best way. There are many precendents to prove that.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:54 am

Yagushi wrote:
Amberience wrote:C'mon you penisheads.. its a program! A TOOL! TOOL! TOOL! It doesn't dictate what comes out of it. I happen to think Orion and Sonar suck donkey cock for the stuff I do, but I'm not starting flame wars over it. Immature felchers
Speaking of tools...

Thanks for sharing your opinion in such a dignified manner...

watashi wa igirisujin desu, it is my way

superddman · Post by **superddman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:59 am

Amberience wrote:
But hey... if Logic gives you that tarnce sound, good for you!!

you bet it does baby!

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:01 am

superddman · Post by **superddman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:03 am

Amberience wrote:

but I don't even know you man, thats messed

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:08 am

Outdated Synths?
dunno, as i've said before I find the filters can be a problem.
I love the maelstrom - constantly finding interesting sounds on that one.
I do agree that the subtractor could maybe do with some updating, or another version with 'phat' filters included.
As it is the combinator allows me to have a default set up whereby subtractors always open up with a scream 4 & an mclass eq to sort the sound out.
I have another setup with some delays & verb etc. hooked up also so that I can quickly audition sounds with those effects included - as imo what often seems to make a patch on many vsti's is the inclusion & use of effects - & for thsoe purposes I find reasons included effects fairly standard & capable.

Reason 3 is simply awesome.