KVR Audio

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:09 am

Hovmod wrote:
BONES wrote: Look back at the thread, FaX is about the only pro-Reason contributor who has actually made any kind of persuasive contribution. The rest of you have carried on like teenagers.
Hm. Funny. I didn't realize this was a thread where we're supposed to convince or persuade anyone. It seemed to me it was about one guy having a good day at the computer, and he felt like telling us.

Yup, that's about it. The voice of Reason does its own convincing just fine without my having to bother. :-)

RawTheory · Post by **RawTheory** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:16 am

God,...I'm such a f**king idiot for using Reason!!! And I'm still using it!! What the f**k is my problem!! Will somebody please shoot me AND my computer!!

Maniah · Post by **Maniah** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:51 am

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:35 am

Former Pharaoh, relax and have a Sacred Pancake of Ra.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:42 am

Hovmod wrote:Hm. Funny. I didn't realize this was a thread where we're supposed to convince or persuade anyone. It seemed to me it was about one guy having a good day at the computer, and he felt like telling us.

Surely that's for Off-Topic? I would hope that threads in the main forums are informative.

Maniah · Post by **Maniah** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:49 am

Former Pharaoh, relax and have a Sacred Pancake of Ra.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:58 am

Cool. Smile like an Egyptian!

Glassback · Post by **Glassback** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:48 am

What's Reason?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:01 am

Dunno, I looked but neither it nor its developers are in the database. I suppose that means this thread shoud be in Off-Topic.

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:09 am

Any thread with "Reason" in the title should automatically be moved to HPC.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:18 am

As I just posted in a surprisingly simular thread:

Ian B · Post by **Ian B** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:31 am

Glassback wrote:What's Reason?

It's a WMD

........

a 'weapon of mass discussion'

a 'weapon of mass disagreement'

a 'weapon of mass discord'

There must be plenty more

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:30 am

Warmonger wrote:Any thread with "Reason" in the title should automatically be moved to HPC.

It's important to acknowledge that KVR existed firstly for developers, and the focus is clearly on "open standard plugins". The rationale is certainly clear, but there is now something of a problem with this approach. Because KVR has become an immensely popular site with people who aren't themselves developers, but simply musicians, teachers, writers, etc who find KVR a useful place to get news and hang out. And to this contingent, the bias of KVR can be rather misleading.

For example, the RTAS format is not "open standard", so is not included. Look through the "instruments" listings here and you can easily find out which instruments are available in AU, DX or VST format… but not whether there is an RTAS version. So the product details for the plugins are intentionally incomplete… and misleading.

The point was made by one of the Reason-haters earlier in this thread that the Propellerheads have deliberately ignored the current industry standard protocols, and so have been left behind. Well, let's test that theory by checking out which industry standard protocols the five longest-running professional-grade hosts support:

Pro Tools: Rewire, RTAS
Digital Performer: Rewire, AU, RTAS
Logic: Rewire, AU, VST
Cubase: Rewire, VST, AU, (?DX)
Sonar: Rewire, DX, VST-wrapper.

Well, I can only see ONE truly universal standard on that list. And that's the Rewire protocol that Propellerhead actually created. And the reason that Rewire is in ALL the major products is that host developers realise the immense success of Reason, and want their hosts to be equipped for it.

Now let's consider the others:
VST is in just two of the five, although you can use wrappers (supplied in the case of Sonar) to get VSTs into the others. Digidesign reject it as an unstable format, and insist on RTAS which they can monitor the quality of. Fair enough. That is exactly why more than 90% of commercial releases pass through Pro Tools - it is reliable, thanks in part to RTAS.
AU is hardly standard. Even on the Mac platform it is not in all the four products.
DX seems to be on the way out altogether.
RTAS is a genuine industry standard for reasons already mentioned.

So in conclusion, the people who suggest Propellerhead are lagging behind industry standards, or stubbornly refusing to keep up to date are entirely misguided. Propellerhead invented the only protocol on the list that is truly universal! (Of course they also invented the REX format, which is also an industry standard). The only problem here is with the inaccurate perception that KVR somewhat creates for musicians because of its (historically justified) bias.

Glassback · Post by **Glassback** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:50 am

Glassback wrote:What's Reason?

BONES wrote:Dunno, I looked but neither it nor its developers are in the database. I suppose that means this thread shoud be in Off-Topic.

Ian B wrote:It's a WMD ........

a 'weapon of mass discussion'

a 'weapon of mass disagreement'

a 'weapon of mass discord'

There must be plenty more

Silly me!

And here was me thinking it was something sadly lacking in most of this thread.

@Ian B - a 'Weapon Of Mass Debation'?

dogod · Post by **dogod** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:02 am

@headquest: U need to learn something about programming my friend... RTAS == BLOAT == Shit Code

Golden rule... Small Code == Good Code

Just take a look at the size of binaries next time, applications and plugins

Again, closed standards = death

PT/RTAS will be unheard of in 10 yrs (if we're all still here..... LOL)

Reason 3 is simply awesome.