CSR-1 - Lexicon300 - Comparison

[bduffy]

So does anybody own CSR?

I do, but it's not here yet; it was shipped this afternoon.

Thanks, Sickle. hey, I just realised I qualify for a $50 discount because of the OEM stuff that came with my E-MU 1212m...SWEET!!!

do you mind doing some IRs?
There are many ppl who would safe much money that way

Wouldn't that be illegal?

[dr. orange]

dr. orange: it's true that IR's have limited ability to capture reverb. The lack of dynamism makes them sound a bit "flatter" than the real hardware.
[...]
The dynamic aspects of Lexicon and probably TC reverbs as well contribute to their quality. They are subtle, but the ear picks up the effect they have on the sound and it is perceived as pleasing.

Hi Flippertronix!
Does this statement base on your own experience? Have you made an IR of your h/w reverb (lexicon?) and compared each other? Oh, if you did, do you mind sampling the comparison and sharing it with us? That'd be great so that we could build our own opinion whether the money is worth the difference... (we refers to "we poor srudents" )

[dr. orange]

Wouldn't that be illegal?

Well, you don't have to name the samples "IK CSR preset 6"

[Squids]

No, that wouldn't be illegal at all. Go for it. Make an IR of whatever effect you want. They're cool. But, you guys are right in that it isn't the same as a fully programmable reverb unit. It's static. Yes, free is nice too. But, it is one thing and a programmable reverb unit like CSR (or other algo based units) is another.

Hmmm. I like this comparison thing. Although I agree that setting for setting it wouldn't be exact. One would have to really try to match it up as best they could and then compare. I bet it can get pretty close. I've always wanted a 300 and a friend of mine had one. CSR sounds a lot like that high end reverb sound from units like that. The depth and yes the modulation... something ALIVE about it that puts magic on the track. You know what I mean by that? Regular decent reverbs always add something (usually help mask things). But, a REALLY nice reverb is more than just a crutch but an actual sweetener. Hard to explain in words. I think some of you know what I mean.

Anyway, if there is anything I can do to help let me know. I can either run those files through my CSR (although anyone who has one can). Or even better I would be willing to put up a CSR for the crossgrade discount (almost half price) for someone who owns a Lex 300 and wants to do the comparison. You'd have to really try hard to match them though (I guess starting with the same parameters and then tweak by ear from there) for it to be a good comparison. Let me know if that helps. If someone else has a lex 300 and wants to take me up on that offer then let me know.

Just for fun. I am curious to hear it myself.

[Sickle]

edit: never mind

[Sickle]

So does anybody own CSR?

I do, but it's not here yet; it was shipped this afternoon.

Thanks, Sickle. hey, I just realised I qualify for a $50 discount because of the OEM stuff that came with my E-MU 1212m...SWEET!!!

What OEM stuff for 1212m are you talking about? They must have changed the bundle since I got mine..

[Squids]

Wouldn't that be illegal?

Well, you don't have to name the samples "IK CSR preset 6"

Press on with this kind of shit and you're ass is gonna get banned.

If you wanna talk warez or expoiting developer's hard work, hit the road.

...and you don't want to mess with Sickle either so...



Hey Sickle, when you get your CSR please let me know how you like it. I have been getting really good (I mean REALLY good) reports from a lot of esoundz customers about it.

[dr. orange]

Press on with this kind of shit and you're ass is gonna get banned.

If you wanna talk warez or expoiting developer's hard work, hit the road.

Hmm, honestly, that wasn't my intention, it was a little subtle joke... Apparently you don't understand jokes...
I know that it's not illegal, otherwise I wouldn't dare to write something like that.
Another homepage with IRs inspired me on that. Although it is legal, the files are there renamed: lexickon instead of lexicon etc. because the runner of that homepage is afraid calling the manufacturer...

However, CHILL

[Sickle]

Hey Sickle, when you get your CSR please let me know how you like it. I have been getting really good (I mean REALLY good) reports from a lot of esoundz customers about it.

No sweat, Dave.

@ Dr Orange: I'll chill when I feel like chillin. Quit trolling KVR in general and we'll get along a whole lot better.

[dr. orange]

@ Dr Orange: I'll chill when I feel like chillin. Quit trolling KVR in general and we'll get along a whole lot better.

[Sickle]

Suit yourself.

[bduffy]

So does anybody own CSR?

I do, but it's not here yet; it was shipped this afternoon.

Thanks, Sickle. hey, I just realised I qualify for a $50 discount because of the OEM stuff that came with my E-MU 1212m...SWEET!!!

What OEM stuff for 1212m are you talking about? They must have changed the bundle since I got mine..

Sorry, I didn't see this. With the E-MU I got the T-Racks EQ and Amplitube LE. Pretty frickin' decent, if you ask me. You didn't get that with yours??

[dr. orange]

Suit yourself.

hmm, whatever... I need some sleep.
good night dear friend

in love
your doc

[Frippertronix]

Have you made an IR of your h/w reverb (lexicon?) and compared each other? Oh, if you did, do you mind sampling the comparison and sharing it with us? That'd be great so that we could build our own opinion whether the money is worth the difference... (we refers to "we poor srudents" )

I don't own either at this point so I can't help. My guess is there arent a lot of people who own 300L's who frequent this board, though. See for yourself, though, if you live near a music store. Go play through one of their more expensive Lexicons and see if it sounds any better to you than the IR/convolution you use. It's not head to head, but if the h/w sounds much better to you, you will notice. Though I've never done a head to head comparison myself between any h/w and impulses, IR's always sound "wrong" to me, for lack of a better term. I use them for real spaces, but I feel it's very inferior to real room or hall reverb.

I've always felt I had a hard time achieving that "big studio magic" one can always hear on the radio and major CD's with IR's either of real spaces or rack units/plate units. The big studios are most likely using one or more of the following:

a) Lexicon rack unit
b) TC Electronics rack unit
c) Real plate reverb
d) Real room/hall

So just ask yourself---does the reverb on my recordings (which use impulses of either h/w or real spaces), sound as good as the reverb I hear on major label CD's? If you think it does, then you are set up with your impulses. Ony convolution can electronically recreate real spaces, so you have to use it anyway if you want to do that.

[Frippertronix]

Another thing to consider is that other types of h/w are not thoroughly captured by impulse responses either. For instance, tube coloration that happens dynamically (i.e. "warmth" created by dynamic harmonic coloration) can't be recreated by static impulses, though I've heard there is such a thing as dynamic convolution.