Im agnostic, can I use your synth?

[Left Headphone]

Ok... Waiting..........

I'll start something in HPC when I have more. I get really mixed messages about the "Old Law-New Law" thing, especially when everyone's always going on about the 10 Commandments, which is the Old Law. But clearly, you guys got it all worked out.

But don't think for a second I'm "making fun" of anyone; I'm struggling to understand this all-powerful force in our societies that, to me, just doesn't make sense.

Anyway, I'll HPC if I think I can get something you guys won't dismiss in a heartbeat; dreamtheater, I'm contacting you. I do really want to explore these things, atheist or not.

I think this debate is good, especially when it's done respectfully by both sides.

[bduffy]

OK, so let's move this to HPC. What's the topic?

[TotcProductions]

First of all, this post is wildly inappropriate johnnytluxury. You're obviously well educated in the English language, and have a sprinkling of ability to make complex thoughts and process information. The problem comes somewhere in between the processing and the expulsion of the words to your computer. To me, you seem to be nothing more than a bleeding heart college student with far too much time on his hands. Are you on spring break this week or something? Didn't have any friends that wanted to take you out with them?
Despite the said intent of your original post being humorous, the fact that you felt the need to post such a comment to the community suggests that you felt some indifference to the developers religious commitment. Therefore, you needed to slander him. You are too intelligent to make the mistake of really slandering the developer hear though, especially knowing how much appreciation resides on these forums for his synthesizer. So, you disguise your grievance as a punctuated joke. Revealing that, as intelligent as you are, you are not intelligent enough to realize or care about the fact that differences in beliefs and people are what makes this human race what it is. You are a slave to your amygdala. Which I can not blame you for, as it is somewhat natural for an educated, yet emotionally challenged individual. However, such actions are rather unnecessary and not at all appreciated here at KVR.
To drive my argument a bit further, you obviously do not understand the true meaning of the word agnostic. Agnostic is not necessarily the Refusalto except Jesus Christ as one's savior...but in fact, they believe that we, as human beings, are incapable of comprehending the nature, ways, and very existence of a higher being, however, agnostics do acknowledge the existence of a higher power. They just do not feel they are capable of identifying that higher power's wants, needs, and character. Therefore, they do not formally practice or worship a deity. They feel it is not there place to do so.
In sum, you seem, to me, to be a starbucks-branded liberal with a deep feeling of insecurity, probably due to you feeling unappreciated throughout your life. Your obvious criticism is not constructive, or even productively thought provoking. Therefore, it is, in my opinion, unwarranted and unnecessary. Please sort out your psychological problems with a licensed therapist. I think you'll find it much more helpful.


Take that fucko!

Totc, I totally agree with your post, but I don't understand how someone posting a mean-spirited, anti-religious post is a "bleeding heart"? I thought that was a term used by the right to describe people who "have feelings", and care about the "homeless" and "the environment" and other such nuisances?

Whoo, I've got alot to respond to. I'll start with this one.

So, to bduffy: Yes, you are correct. I'm using it in my own secret code context. I'm saying 1: that, in general, most "bleeding hearts" are in ignorance of realities on the other side of the arguments, and 2: They tend to be more publicly "activist" about their causes. My apologies...doesn't it suck that we can't all stick to the same standard of language, if for no other reason, to understand what the hell we're saying to each other. I'm often guilty of not conforming to that myself. Hence the confusion.

Holy crap, remind me not to get on your bad side man.

Actually, I don't think anyone of the people I know really well have ever only stuck to one side of me. I find there truer (er...meffy, is that word? ) if I can appreciate them stimulating both sides.

Meowr?

I never really got into cats. Just something I don't like about them.

M'sieur Trains, I agree with some of what you're saying. But in my experience "agnostic" is commonly used to mean those who profess that we can never know whether or not a supreme being, creator, etc. exists at all, much less the nature of such a thing. Agnostics neither deny nor affirm that existence, just say that it's impossible to know.

Yes sir. correct here as well. [see my reply to bduffy]....another case of me giving someone odd directions to explain something, and leaving out a left turn.

[quote="Lawnmower Of The Dammned]Will you, Totc, defend a person's ability to make such a restriction on the usage of my synth? Will you call anyone who disagrees a "fucko"? Because if you wouldn't then I'd say you are completely biased and your opinions are of little value.[/quote]

Actually, that isn't at all what I'm doing here. It's far more complex than that. In all legality and reality, the synth is licensed under the GPL, which to my knowledge, mentions nothing about restricting users based on religious affiliations. The developer has made a request of potential users. He even says PLEASE. So, there is no REAL obligation to accept jesus in order to use the synth. The developer makes this suggestive statement on his own space, and his own space only in this case. If one does not agree, or feels 'bullied' by this, I am simply saying that the 'user' certainly has every right to not use the synth due to the fact that it is tied to someone using their programming and dsp talent to inform people of their belief. I am not completely biased. While it would be logically impossible to remain COMPLETELY un-biased on anything while simultaniously taking a stance, it is not impossible to take a stance based on facts and reality. The 'stance' is purely opinion...but is has more than dogma to give it weight. Now, what I was 'attacking' was the 'users' need to publicly attack the developer in his own forum. I feel it's unnecessary and while we all are free to make any and all decisions of our own free will, in order to maintain any sort of 'order' in a community, there must be certain guidelines. You have every right to break them, however, in a society, when you break guidelines, there are consequences to pay. lol, am I making sense here? Food for thought I suppose. You can ponder it till you're blue in the face, and you'll come to the same whole filled with uncertainty becuase, as of this time, it's beyond human understanding, which is actually the basic of agnostics in the first place no?
Now, as for the fucko thing.... I took a ride on a train of thought (where do you think my screenname came from in the first place? ) and I ended up far from home....so I needed to come back to society and take a child like stance. Just to make a point and bring everything into perspective. It's purposely childish, in order to assume the position of 'poking fun' (hence, the smiley). It just says "So there, that's what I think on this matter, However, I have to assume there is more to you as a person then the current tunnel-vision-view we've been given, so, here's a stupid, childish, irresponsible poke just to prove that I do not think i'm above you, but that we are equally important in this world." See what i'm saying?

I've lost a lot of respect for you today, Totc.

That's ashame. You are entitled to do so if you wish however. It doesn't really chip away from who I really am as a person, but more so the initial image that I have portrayed to you. This new image is no more and no less....just different.

I must be the only person at KVR who doesn't believe in ZynAddSubFX. I tried it and didn't like it. Granted, my computer at the time was under-powered. However, I can see that it's great for those who like what it does. There may be a religious object lesson in here somewhere, but I'm still on my first cup of coffee.

Now That is a perfectly reasonable statement. Well played sir.

Yikes....

Now, to the real point in all of this. I never mentioned it in my original posting, which I regret. These discussions have an actual place here on the forum, it's called hydes park corner or something like that. We should be respecting Zynaddsubfx's own support forum and have these discussions where they belong, so users can focus on..well..using. So, if you have any questions, concerns, criticisms, or fecies to throw my way, please do it via my PM box. Oh, and I'd like to apologize for my spelling, i'm well aware that it's atrocious.

I'm going to have a smoke now. My brain hurts.

Peace (no, not in a religious way. )

TrainsOfThoughtCollide

[bduffy]

Hello, Totc. I'd long forgotten about that! OK, well, that doesn't sound like a "bleeding heart" to me, but in lieu of the proceeding argument, is hardly important. Thanks!

[Newbie Brad]

When we die, and we're dead, I won't be able to say I told you so.

[TotcProductions]

God does not know anything about love! He is just a power, like a tsunami or like cathrina or like a neutron bomb or like love or like making love or like killing each other or like new born childs or like an animal or like a human or like a dolphin or like anything which you can not understand.

Who the hell is Cathrina?

Katrina was a natrual disaster.....as for cathrina, I think she's a 'working girl' at the bunny ranch in nevada.

Peace

[bduffy]

God does not know anything about love! He is just a power, like a tsunami or like cathrina or like a neutron bomb or like love or like making love or like killing each other or like new born childs or like an animal or like a human or like a dolphin or like anything which you can not understand.

Who the hell is Cathrina?

Katrina was a natrual disaster.....as for cathrina, I think she's a 'working girl' at the bunny ranch in nevada.

Peace

Yeah, she's a good one...er...I mean, I wouldn't know.

[TotcProductions]

God does not know anything about love! He is just a power, like a tsunami or like cathrina or like a neutron bomb or like love or like making love or like killing each other or like new born childs or like an animal or like a human or like a dolphin or like anything which you can not understand.

Who the hell is Cathrina?

Katrina was a natrual disaster.....as for cathrina, I think she's a 'working girl' at the bunny ranch in nevada.

Peace

Yeah, she's a good one...er...I mean, I wouldn't know.

Wouldn't know what?

[bduffy]

God does not know anything about love! He is just a power, like a tsunami or like cathrina or like a neutron bomb or like love or like making love or like killing each other or like new born childs or like an animal or like a human or like a dolphin or like anything which you can not understand.

Who the hell is Cathrina?

Katrina was a natrual disaster.....as for cathrina, I think she's a 'working girl' at the bunny ranch in nevada.

Peace

Yeah, she's a good one...er...I mean, I wouldn't know.

Wouldn't know what?

Apparently not much about the bible...

[bduffy]

OK I started an HPC thread to get this outta here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 27#1726927

See you there!

[Meffy]

Free bento for everyone remaining.

[johnnytluxury]

Ahh Totc. To call me a "fucko" My reply is short and sweet. First of all, it was a joke. Funny as I thought the idea of advising us to not use the software in a manner which would not benefit his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. You obviously didnt get it. To make a long winded reply to something that bears NO matter whatsoever is sad. Jack off more. Twat.

P.S. I am agnostic, and it simply mean i do believe in a higher power, just not one of the conventional sort. the details of higher power is continously debated, So I'll, for time sake, simply say that there are things out there thAt have a rank higher then mine. You are surely not one. And to think I had respect for you at one time. Weak.

[M'Snah]

I was hoping to see this thread had died by now. But no, it turned into a nice dispute where software vendors call (prospect or maybe even current) customers names. And that's not the first time at kvr. Risky.

In my experience religion and politics are things where it's very risky to make jokes (or even smart-ass remarks). That's why I never discuss either of them with e.g. my parents.

In my view, johnny, you asked for the names you get called in this thread, because of the light-hearted approach with which you step onto this quite delicate and sensitive subject. (And NOT because you are or are not a fucko, I don't know you well enough for that ).

Hans (aka the moral/ethical thread police)

[johnnytluxury]

Good point Hans, I should have used more tact. I was feeling comical. But nobody deserves being called names. I didnt call any names, well until I was attacked, and I dont feel anyone had the right to attack me unless it was the author him/herself. But this is an open community, and i fully understand the ideals that go along with it.

[M'Snah]

But nobody deserves being called names. I didnt call any names, well until I was attacked, and I dont feel anyone had the right to attack me unless it was the author him/herself.

I agree, calling names is not the way to solve anything. However: most kvr members are humans like any other, and when something is touched that is close to your heart, you get emotional quickly and irrationally. e.g. I never fight (usually not even with words), but when anyone touches my daughter, ....