KVR Audio

beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:34 pm

Maybe it's just me and I'm a born skeptic...but...skm80 has been a member of kvr since july of 2004 and has only posted 2 times, both in this thread...

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:08 pm

feyshay wrote:I would throw ArtsAcoustic in there, too, Bmanic. I don't see it as any better than RoomVerb.

I disagree. It's less metallic but yes, it does have problems too (especially when running long tails). I've been experimenting with the AA reverb today and trying to recreate some of the sounds I've heard from the CSR and it seems to be impossible. I prefere the sound of CSR everywhere. The only demos I have not heard are the subtle, very short ambience ones. Doing these the AA reverb is at it's best. It gives a nice little subtle widening and glue to a mix that is very typical for modern dry pop/dance/rnb stuff.

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:11 pm

skm80 wrote:Well, I havn't registered mine yet. It has a ten day demo and I have 8 days left on it. if you guys want to waste your $$ or just asking for some mettalic reverb punishment then make me an credible offer since I've lost my reverb credibility and will never be able to use one.

You keep avoiding. How about posting some examples? Everybody else is posting examples of CSR but not you. Why? I'd love to see a Room Verb 2 versus CSR. I truly fail to see any scenario where room verb would be superior but that's just me.

Btw, don't take it personal what I said. It's all just our own opinions, no?

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:11 pm

beergeek wrote:Maybe it's just me and I'm a born skeptic...but...skm80 has been a member of kvr since july of 2004 and has only posted 2 times, both in this thread...

I'll give him the benefit of doubt.

Cheers!
bManic

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:20 pm

I wanted to clarify. There is a little metallic sound to both of those reverbs, and they're considered some of the best. I would still use Roomverb, and oftentimes the metallic sound is not evident if you're not drenching in reverb. Roomverb is still my favorite. I still think they sound good. I've just got a Kurzweil Rumour and am curious to see how it compares to VST's.

dr. orange · Post by **dr. orange** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:00 pm

I'd like to bandy more peace and love in this thread. let's hug each other, forgive each other and have some beer alltogether, that's what we need!

martian · Post by **martian** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:02 pm

heres my 1st attempt to emulate living sound's demo mix.

i just used 2 instances of one reverb, nothing else. theres still quite a difference but im sure i could get it a bit closer with this reverb, will give it another go this weekend maybe. i left the mix unchanged, although i was tempted to compensate for a few things, like the drums feel a little louder and maybe punchier in living sounds' mix (esp first kik drum)?! i couldnt follow any of lexis settings since they are all so different to what i used, and overall had most trouble copying the tightness of the lexis low-end.

so how shit is this attempt? and can you tell what was used?

http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=45351
(24bit wav, 8.5mb)

easy,

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:27 pm

Nice one, Martian! Get's quite close. The obvious difference is the sort of "room impression" the lexicon creates, more depth perception.

As far as those files are concernced - the drums should be the same, the only difference in recording is that the single files were bounced and the "Mix"-File was recorded live (though digitally, of course. I just did a little inversion test - looks like there are slight timing differences - but that shouldn't change the overall sound.)

So, what did you use? I have no idea...

martian wrote:heres my 1st attempt to emulate living sound's demo mix.

theres still quite a difference but im sure i could get it a bit closer with the chosen verb, will give it another go this weekend maybe.

i left the mix unchanged, although i was tempted to compensate for a few things, like the drums feel a little louder and maybe punchier in living sounds' mix (esp first kik drum)?! i couldnt follow any of lexis settings since they are all so different to what i used, and overall had most trouble copying the tightness of the lexis low-end.

so how shit is this attempt? and can you tell what was used?

http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=45351
(24bit wav, 8.5mb)

easy,

beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:29 pm

dr. orange wrote:I'd like to bandy more peace and love in this thread. let's hug each other, forgive each other and have some beer alltogether, that's what we need!

I'm all for beer....and some gumbo never hurt none, no cher...

martian · Post by **martian** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:45 pm

living sounds wrote:Nice one, Martian! Get's quite close. The obvious difference is the sort of "room impression" the lexicon creates, more depth perception.

As far as those files are concernced - the drums should be the same, the only difference in recording is that the single files were bounced and the "Mix"-File was recorded live (though digitally, of course. I just did a little inversion test - looks like there are slight timing differences - but that shouldn't change the overall sound.)

So, what did you use? I have no idea...

yeah, i noticed with the lexi you can delay each channel? maybe that will make quite a difference because i cant on this verb. but i'll find a little plug that can give me that control, and check what happens when i give it another go. there's still quite a few parameters i feel i didnt refine enough, pre-delay being another.

in regards to the drums, i think i f**ked up the ideal approach really, since i didnt use the fully wet files at all for reference, if i had id probably be able to get the levels a little more even. see what i can do in my next effort.

btw, i used a tempo of 78bpm too.

well done for putting the files up! i think we need an all reverb demos sticky thread now.

beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:47 pm

No offense meant to anyone and sorry if it appeared that way...

I guess my bottom line is...it's nice to do these comparisons but I stand by my perspective that a used Lexi300L goes for about a grand and at list price, CSR is 1/2 that...

Still seems like a good option...as for Room Verb2? Don't have it and although I'm sure it's possible, I would still doubt it sounds better than CSR...but maybe it's 1/2 better which means it's a good value too

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:57 pm

There's not an individual channel delay, but there are multiple extra delays within the algorithms that have different values. The reverb core engine can also be fed with inputs from several delays - that is part of the sound, I guess.

martian wrote:
living sounds wrote:Nice one, Martian! Get's quite close. The obvious difference is the sort of "room impression" the lexicon creates, more depth perception.

As far as those files are concernced - the drums should be the same, the only difference in recording is that the single files were bounced and the "Mix"-File was recorded live (though digitally, of course. I just did a little inversion test - looks like there are slight timing differences - but that shouldn't change the overall sound.)

So, what did you use? I have no idea...
yeah, i noticed with the lexi you can delay each channel? maybe that will make quite a difference because i cant on this verb. but i'll find a little plug that can give me that control, and check what happens when i give it another go. there's still quite a few parameters i feel i didnt refine enough, pre-delay being another.

in regards to the drums, i think i f**ked up the ideal approach really, since i didnt use the fully wet files at all for reference, if i had id probably be able to get the levels a little more even. see what i can do in my next effort.

btw, i used a tempo of 78bpm too.

well done for putting the files up! i think we need an all reverb demos sticky thread now.

beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:33 am

BTW, I'd be glad to run the original request through CSR but I can't find the settings for Contem-Plate on lexi's site...

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:35 am

It's here:

http://www.lexiconpro.com/downloads/M30 ... G_Rev1.pdf

beergeek wrote:BTW, I'd be glad to run the original request through CSR but I can't find the settings for Contem-Plate on lexi's site...

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:50 pm

beergeek wrote:No offense meant to anyone and sorry if it appeared that way...

I guess my bottom line is...it's nice to do these comparisons but I stand by my perspective that a used Lexi300L goes for about a grand and at list price, CSR is 1/2 that...

Still seems like a good option...as for Room Verb2? Don't have it and although I'm sure it's possible, I would still doubt it sounds better than CSR...but maybe it's 1/2 better which means it's a good value too

Although I do believe somewhat in your philosophy (you get what you pay for), there are probably some exceptions. There are items of similar value that are of different quality. For example, I'll never pay some prices for plug-ins. Oftentimes, when you start to elevate prices your getting smaller increments of improvement.
For example, a Lexicon PCM 91 is not 4x as good as a Kurzweil Rumour.

CSR-1 - Lexicon300 - Comparison