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Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:59 am

BONES wrote:I never did care about emulating anything.

tomg wrote:You are wrong as usual, Bones. It may be the best sounding synth sence impOSCar.
Why? Because you f**king say so? What sort of krap is that? Back it up with some facts. i told you why I didn't find anything special about it but all I hear from the rest of you is that it has a great random patch feature. WTF!?!

hehehe

since when do you ever post anything but totally subjective ranting about how crap things are when you don't like them? you never offer any facts

you just "you guys are wrong, it's shit".
no offense, but i find it kind of strange that you would get so mad when someone does the same.

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:02 am

Z3R0T0N1N wrote:no offense, but i find it kind of strange that you would get so mad when someone says the opposite.

Seconded.

- m

funkadil · Post by **funkadil** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:11 am

I can understand why it would not be good for some people's music. I Think Oatmeal will be my go-to for well-defined soft wierd melodical sounds, xhip on the other had is my basic VA sounds and fill/layering go-to synth. Poly-iblit if I want crisp. VivaldiMX or the new one(whats it called, HERKLE?, not that but something odd, linux port) for FM. Plus a few other free synths for other more specialized sounds that make me crazy-dude. Thats why I have only free synths (except wusik, I'm not sure why I bought that guess I had some sort of impulse). Or yeah, HEXTER! Now I remember.

Debutante · Post by **Debutante** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:24 am

BONES wrote: It also seems pretty light on cross-modulation options, too. OTOH, most of my synths have cross-mod options up the ying-yang and way more flexibility in their modulation in general.

I call bull on that one. For cross modulation the Oatmeal has:

1. 2 modulation envelopes, EACH going to as many as 4 destinations; each destination being for any one of 22 possible parameters

2. 2 LFO's, with user definable waveforms, going to filter parameters, pitching, panning, and each other

3. An XY pad (:shock: RANDOMIZABLE

none the less) with 4 horizontal and 4 vertical destinations, each destination being for any of one of 27 possible parameters.

No offense, but as modulation goes, that !WHOMPS! any of your own synths royally

Liking the sound is subjective to the user, but for features the Oatmeal kills the killers.

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:28 am

Let me add my name to the Oatmeal love-list.

Whether the random presets are random or just pulling from a pre-existing list not visible to the common man - I don't care.

I like about 3/4 of them and then to go in and draw my own waveforms off of the existing modulation setup - very tasty and handy.

This is a nice sounding synth and fun to experiment with - particularly the x-y pad.

-Scott

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:40 am

tconrardy wrote:hey Bones...did you try my bank yet? I got some nice stuff from it, but a lot of it is ambient stuff and not your style, but I also got some great distorted stuff. One of the tricks is to use the random generator , and then tweak the Oatmeal out of it.I got some very usable sounds, and not all of them "spacy", but usuable B$B sounds.

Sure, I'm not saying its terrible or anything, just that its nothing special. If you turn the effects off, most of your patches are dull as dishwater. The OTT sounds are not particularly impressive compared to the kind of things Teksonik has done for Synth 1 or those that I can get out of my own synths. The filter sounds f**king dreadful in my standard resonant bass test and none of your patches do anything to show it in any better light.

Willabong wrote:The sound generated by Oatmeal is stronger than sounds generated by for example Synth 1. And we all know how good a synth that is.

No way! I just did a quick test and even the "initial sound" patch on Synth 1 is all over this thing.

I'm not saying that your synths aren't very good, because they ARE. But if your synths are so versatile, why do you need to make so many versions?

Because I'm still trying to get it right. I'm nowhere near happy with any of them.

Z3R0T0N1N wrote:
tomg wrote:You are wrong as usual, Bones. It may be the best sounding synth sence impOSCar.
since when do you ever post anything but totally subjective ranting about how crap things are when you don't like them? you never offer any facts you just "you guys are wrong, it's shit".

When? point me to a single instance when I have offerred an opinion wihtout the reasoning behind it. Just one. [A serious one, of course.]

Debutante wrote:I call bull on that one. For cross modulation the Oatmeal has:
1. 2 modulation envelopes, EACH going to as many as 4 destinations; each destination being for any one of 22 possible parameters

That's not cross-modulation.

2. 2 LFO's, with user definable waveforms, going to filter parameters, pitching, panning, and each other

That's not cross-modulation.

3. An XY pad with 4 horizontal and 4 vertical destinations, each destination being for any of 27 possible parameters.

And that's not cross-modulation. Listen up, Junior - cross-modulation is where one oscillator modulates another, like Ring Mod or FM or Hard Sync even. Now Oatmeal has the user waveforms which kind of make up for it more than somewhat but only to a certain degree.
Right now it has some pretty cool features but it won't be long before SE will have the same [WaveDraw oscillator] and I just don't hear anything in its basic sound, oscillators and filters, that make it anywhere near as good as Synth 1 or PolyIblit or Crystal which are surely the freebies which set the standard that it should be judged by. Even SE has better filters even without any of the magic that guys like ugo and EVM weave. I think the developer has judged it far more accurately than any of you.

tconrardy · Post by **tconrardy** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:22 am

well Bones..I guess you agree with its creator that Oatmeal is a mediocre free VSTi. I still like the sound, and in the end, thats where it counts for any of us.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:29 am

With all those effects [the chorus is quite nice] it is bound to be more appealing to you than me.

tconrardy · Post by **tconrardy** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:01 am

BONES wrote:With all those effects [the chorus is quite nice] it is bound to be more appealing to you than me.

yep...your right.

I can't believe all those different parameters for the delay..stuff I have not seen on dedicated delay plugs like reverse. Theres a lot I have not explored yet either. Thanks for your frank out look. It refreshing as well.But it goes to prove..horses for courses...what a weird saying!

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:08 am

Sascha Franck wrote:Ah well, Krim... seems that this time you're wrong, deadly wrong!

In what way am i wrong? Wrong opinion? Wrong taste?

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:09 am

Willabong wrote:Krim and Bones can't see anything good in this synth! Well everyone has an opinion, and I respect that!.....But they are wrong in this case!

In what way am i wrong? Wrong opinion? Wrong taste?

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:12 am

Mikomi wrote:If Krim and Bones don't like it, then thats fine, everyones intitled to thier own opinion.

Are you sure, no one else seems to think so

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:13 am

im not going to join the silly arguefest over the features.. but I did want to say I think it sounds great to my ears.. very 'alive' sound to it.. doesnt go mushy or slushy.. good stuff.

Watto · Post by **Watto** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:19 am

tconrardy wrote:horses for courses...what a weird saying!

Not when you consider it as "horses for RACEcourses"...

Ian B · Post by **Ian B** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:55 am

Watto wrote:
tconrardy wrote:horses for courses...what a weird saying!
Not when you consider it as "horses for RACEcourses"...

Probably not quite what you meant, but all vsti's ought to take a back seat this week..............It's Cheltenham Festival week

Macs Joy today in the 3.15/Smurfit

Oatmeal (mediocre free VSTi) - 37-4 (fixed Renoise problem)