Were the good old days better

[Hovmod]

He'd be medicated out of all his creativity and would probably be a kick ass unix server admin who doesn't go to the office parties.

[nuffink]

Changing the tack slightly.

If Mozart was making music today what genre do you believe he would be making.

Soundtracks. It's where the dosh is if you know your shit.

That would give Mr Zimmer a run for his money methinks

Zimmer's terrible. Check out Thomas Newman's "Road to Perdition" OST or Michael Giacchino's work on "The Incredibles".

[Josmoker]

Personally I think he was pretty avantgarde for his time so maybe something leftfield, IDM or maybe Ambient Drum & Bass

Are you sure? I always thought Mozart's music wasn't too much of a revolution. I agree with Nuffink, he'd probably go where the money is - he'd need it to buy drugs or whatever. His personality was probably ruined in a similar way to Michael Jacksons...

[nuffink]

Eine Kleine Nachtkinder?

[stevieb19]

Changing the tack slightly.

If Mozart was making music today what genre do you believe he would be making.

Soundtracks. It's where the dosh is if you know your shit.

That would give Mr Zimmer a run for his money methinks

Zimmer's terrible. Check out Thomas Newman's "Road to Perdition" OST or Michael Giacchino's work on "The Incredibles".

I did not mean to say he was good he just seems to have a huge amount of work.

I find it difficult to take him seriously anyway because he used to be in Buggles in the 80's

[Hovmod]

Personally I think he was pretty avantgarde for his time so maybe something leftfield, IDM or maybe Ambient Drum & Bass

Are you sure? I always thought Mozart's music wasn't too much of a revolution. I agree with Nuffink, he'd probably go where the money is - he'd need it to buy drugs or whatever. His personality was probably ruined in a similar way to Michael Jacksons...

Heard Maurerische Trauermusik?

[tahome]

How many Mozarts do you know?

This is from a different thread but it equally applies here - I claim that if Mozart were alive today nobody would notice:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 81#1758381

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[edoosx]

No really, I think this discussion is useless really. Talent is something you cannot measure, it's not even defined. So you can argue and argue and argue. To me Luke Vibert and Amon Tobin are both musical geniuses, certainly as much as Mozart.

someone can say that luke vibert is a genius, i can say he isn't, so who's right? how to demonstrate this?

Please re-read what I wrote - it was exactly the same thing you wrote. Just for the record, though, I am right of course - Luke Vibert is a genius (just look at him for christ's sake!)!

josmoker

it was just an example, i was not directly referring to your post (i didn't quote it), even if both, yours and mine, have... well.. luke vibert in common

[waiting man]

Changing the tack slightly.

If Mozart was making music today what genre do you believe he would be making.

Soundtracks. It's where the dosh is if you know your shit.

That would give Mr Zimmer a run for his money methinks

Zimmer's terrible. Check out Thomas Newman's "Road to Perdition" OST or Michael Giacchino's work on "The Incredibles".

finally. Zimmer is the diametral opposite of genius.

[Sascha Franck]

While I don't think Zimmer is a genius, he seems to get the job done quite well. And personally, I liked the soundtrack of "Samurai" a lot as well.

[beej]

Mozart would be a Logic user.

[Glassback]

Mozart - isn't he the guy who used too many notes?

[BONES]

To an extent there's quite a bit of truth in that......music is about feeling, so expression is going to be much better on an instrument rather than a synthesised version of that instrument.

That's just totally irrelevant. What percentage of electronic music relies on synthesised versions of real instruments? f**k-all, your honour!

Playing vs Programming.....Real vs Synthesised.....Apples vs Oranges

How does that stack up for those who program their sequencers by playing in performances? Again you're only taking account for certain situations, not the whole gamut.

How many Mozarts do you know?

Neil Peart, Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson. AKA, Rush.

And yet in Australia you would have to ask 1000 people before you found someone who had ever heard of them. I certainly have never heard so much as a single song of theirs, although I've seen their albums in import record shops.

But I'd still rate quite a lot of artists / bands as more talented than for instance Mozart, even if the rest of the world won't agree with me

Who for example ? Not that I like Mozart myself.

I'll bite. Paul McCartney, Burt Bacarach, maybe Elton John. Not my cup of tea but some of their stuff will stand the test of time. I'd also add people like Danny Elfman, Justin Sullivan, Adrian Borland and Jim Thrirwell even though they will never get a fraction of the recognition they deserve. The problem for future history is that it will be virtually impossible for everything to be remembered so some degree of contemporary popularity will ensure greater recognition in the future.

I do think that the spread of technology has helped certain artists to come through who would not normally have been heard.

That's a great point. How many people in Mozart's day could have been as talented but never had his opportunitites? It seems likely that there would have been plenty. Its kind of like what I always thought of Pearl Jam, that there were 1000 other bands that could have done as well as them given the same opportunity.

To me Luke Vibert and Amon Tobin are both musical geniuses, certainly as much as Mozart.

But that's just fanboyism. Surely we can look beyond that. My favourite acts are Leaether Strip and Numb but I hardly think that Claus Larsen and Don Gordon are musical geniuses, they just do something that totally connects with me.

With the technology at peoples fingertips,masterpieces should be made.

That's totally a matter of perspective. I think that Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel's Nail is the greatest masterpiece of all time. Overture to Pigdom Come is certainly right up there with Mozart.

This I have thought a long time, technology also lets people who have little or no musical knowledge make music, even if they can't play an instrument or don't know what a C#m7b9 is, which means the quantity increases.

Just because you own word, doesn't mean you can write a book kind of thing.

That's true, as is the inverse - that technology allows people to develop latent talents which in another age may have gone unnoticed. Its a two-way street.

In 30 years we no doubt will think a lot of the popular music from for instance the 90's were great tracks.

I really can't see that. In terms of popular music I find the 90's totally devoid of worthwhile material.

Mozart, Beethoven, Bach etc. would've had a good (probably un-interrupted) 18 hours to work with per day. The employers (rich noblemen, church, etc.) wouldn't be saying "We need to publish and market this music by Friday or we're moving to your competitors".

No, it would have benn more like "If that piece isn't ready for the ball on Saturday you'll spend the rest of your days locked in a dungeon" kind of situation. But you're right, imagine what you could get done with someone sponsoring you and paying for your upkeep.

I find it difficult to take him seriously anyway because he used to be in Buggles in the 80's

Really? I know Trevor Horn was, are you sure you're not mixed up? Seems pretty amazing that they both were.

Now for my original thoughts:
Find me an classical piece with the pure rage of Ministry's Just One Fix or the distilled hatred of Cubanate's Oxyacetelene. Its just not soemthign that can be done with anywhere near the saame intensity as it can with modern technology. I think it was Ralf Hutter who once said, in response to something David Bowie said about the lack of warmth and emotion in synthesised music, that there are all kinds of emotions and that Kraftwerk explored the cold emotions, which was equally valid. I think its hard to argue that musci today is capable of expressing the full gamut [twice in one post] of emotions in a way that wasn't possible even 50 years ago.

[Hovmod]

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[stevieb19]

I find it difficult to take him seriously anyway because he used to be in Buggles in the 80's

Really? I know Trevor Horn was, are you sure you're not mixed up? Seems pretty amazing that they both were.[/quote]

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