Muse Research

Lowieke · Post by **Lowieke** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:46 pm

A lot of thank you's in advance!

Regards,
Louis

looneytunes · Post by **looneytunes** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:05 pm

Hi Again,

This is hardly scientific approach, but I think you can get a good picture from this:

Muse Receptor (400g hd, 2G Ram, 1.5.20060303 OS)

Ivory (single plugin, no other plugs configured).

Buffer setting 32
CPU steady-state (no notes):20%
CPU average, full-play: 30-35%
CPU peak: 42-52%

Never got CPU to peak(100%) during the heaviest play (fast ostinnatos, 8-10 notes at a time, full sustain)

Using patch
Jazz Bosendorfer (88 6-level),

with settings:
Release Samples on, Soft Pedal Samples On, 24 Voices, Buffer Size Medium, EQ On, Ambience On.

Also tried

Patch: Imperial 10 Bosendorfer
(similar settings)

Higher CPU peak (around 60-70%)
about the same average CPU

Tried playin "Angry Young Man" (Billy Joel), Heavy Sustain, Not a single pop or glitch.

MUSE - take note: I find Ivory and Receptor a very compelling maraige - you should consider marketing this as a bundle

Regards,
Kevin L.

PS. Somebody previously asked about Muse doing a pre-install; Muse pre-installed the sample files for me. I simply ran the lib tools, converted the libs, and authorized. The pre-install saved me 2.5 hours, well worth the $20

PS2. I have been trying to install Ivory on a 2nd receptor unit (with Muse's help). Currently, I'm getting a number of checksum errors. I'm suspecting disk issues in this unit.

looneytunes · Post by **looneytunes** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:08 pm

Hi again,

One more thing I should note, I find the sample loads to be faster than equivalent loads on PC or Mac. No specific numbers here, just a general feel.

Kevin L.

customdigi · Post by **customdigi** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:25 pm

I tried to recreate Kevin's scenarios...and had light glitching at 32. The difference is i only have 1.2gb of RAM. At 64 buffer, my experience is quite comparable to Kevin's, and I really would be hard pressed to tell the difference in playability. I hope that helps...I think it is a match made in heaven. I even put a Masterverb on effects bus 1 and took the ambience off of the Ivory plug...try Bosendorfer Imperial 10 and send to taste on Masterverb "warm studio" ...DAMn, just when you thought it couldn't sound any nicer...Good stuff, muse research.

-Matt

DanTimis · Post by **DanTimis** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:24 am

customdigi wrote:The bad news, if you can call it that...is that Uniwire is NOT quite ready for prime-time via the VST-RTAS wrapper, just yet. It does work, but only at a buffer setting of 1024 in PT, and 2048 on the receptor...way too high for any realtime performance. The latest beta version 2.0.1 of the VST - RTAS wrapper does not fix this, as we had hoped - at least it didnt for me. Any news on this front, MUSErs? I know this will get ironed out eventually for us ProTools fools.

Version 2.0.1 works for us. This is what we did:

1. We put the UniWire VST plug-ins in a folder called "Buffered" inside the "Vstplugins" folder next to the "WrapperConfig20" application.

2. We made sure to convert only the local plug-ins in Vstplugins. I think it is a checkbox called "Scan only local Vstplugins folder"

We have one other receptor user who was able to use successfully the 2.0.1 wrapper, UniWire, and Pro Tools with smaller buffer sizes.

Lowieke · Post by **Lowieke** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:04 am

Thanks for the experiments. This is exactly what I needed to hear (he said whilst running to the store

).

Louis

Watto · Post by **Watto** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:03 pm

looneytunes wrote:PS. Somebody previously asked about Muse doing a pre-install; Muse pre-installed the sample files for me. I simply ran the lib tools, converted the libs, and authorized. The pre-install saved me 2.5 hours, well worth the $20.

Hi looneytunes,

Can you please explain this in more detail? I'm assuming you already owned Ivory - do you mean they pre-installed the sample files when your Receptor was brand new? Did they quote you the $20?

I'm thinking seriously about buying Ivory, and while I'm at it, upgrading my hard drive - I gather from this that I could pay an extra $20 and they'd send me the new hard drive with Ivory pre-installed...?

Cheers!

Watto

customdigi · Post by **customdigi** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:42 pm

Dan,

Good info, but I was having trouble wrapping them once I moved the plugs to the buffered folder...What do I do with the Uniwire Library folder..does that go in the "buffered" folder too? Do I need to wrap in 2.0, unwrap in 2.0.1, and then rewrap in 2.0.1? I am on the brink of getting this to work, methinks...any advice would be just lovely.

Thanks!

looneytunes · Post by **looneytunes** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:24 pm

Hi Watto.

Yes, this is a new receptor. I believe Muse offers a service where they will pre-install software for $20.00 a package when you order (check with sales). At the time I ordered, Ivory was not released, but was days away. Muse simply saved me the trouble of copying all of the Ivory Sample-data files. As this typically takes over 2 hours to copy from CD (on a networked PC), this was money well spent for me.

Regards,
Kevin L.

Watto · Post by **Watto** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:30 pm

Superb! Thank, mate!

looneytunes · Post by **looneytunes** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:25 am

Hi again, Watto (whatever happened to boogooloo1 - I liked that handle!)

Just to be more clear - I did already own an Ivory license before I ordered my receptor. After getting the receptor and converting the libraries, I still needed to run the Ivory Authorization tool to get a machine ID. I emailed this to Synthogy (with my previous license number). Synthogy sent me back an authorization code. I ran the Ivory Auth tool again, and gave it the code. Viola - Grand Piano sonic bliss.

Regards,
Kevin L.

DanTimis · Post by **DanTimis** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:13 am

customdigi wrote:Dan,

Good info, but I was having trouble wrapping them once I moved the plugs to the buffered folder...What do I do with the Uniwire Library folder..does that go in the "buffered" folder too? Do I need to wrap in 2.0, unwrap in 2.0.1, and then rewrap in 2.0.1? I am on the brink of getting this to work, methinks...any advice would be just lovely.

Thanks!

I left the VST plug-ins and the "UniWire Library" where they were installed by the UniWire installer. I copied just the plug-ins, not the library to the Vstplugins/BUFFERED folder.

There is one more variable: I have a newer version of the VST UniWire plug-ins, but I don't think that the recent changes would affect the RTAS buffering.

You don't need to wrap in 2.0, first. You may beed to unwrap first if you have already wrapped in 2.0. That's a question for FXpansion.

We wrapped in 2.0.1 on a "virgin" machine and it worked.

customdigi · Post by **customdigi** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:00 pm

OK, I'm gonna give this one more shot. I moved the vst plug ins, didn't copy them. Here is what seems to be happening to me. I disable the audio/midi on the receptor and enabled uniwire, so I know that whatever I am getting back from the unit is through uniwire. This time I was able to wrap the plugins...when I instantiate in Pro Tools 7.1, the Uniwire plug is STILL only able to pass audio at 1024 in PT, 2048 on receptor. I can change the PT buffer to 256, reinstantiate the plug, and Receptor automatically sets itstelf to 512. Great, I thought. It works...it was receiving midi and I could see level in the mixer on the receptor GUI. GREAT! But it wasn't coming back to the host. So it was passing midi to the receptor, triggering audio, but not returning audio back via uniwire. If I enable the audio interface on receptor, it does THEN return the audio, but that isn't the point of uniwire

. I'm gonna try the deal one more time. If you want, Id be happy to try the new version of the plugin...ya know, eliminate the variables. (Actually, I'm begging!)

Happy Sunday!
Matt

PS Fortunately I was distracted from the Uniwire problems with a successful installation of Stylus RMX 1.5. Works perfectly here.

emluper · Post by **emluper** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:46 am

Farhan,

What is the fix for us beta testers that are on the pre-release version of Ivory? Do we have to uninstall and then use the latest installer on the Plugorama site? My version didn't give me all of the Ivory presets and I would like to have them all installed on my Receptor. Glad that we're having a successful public beta launch though. I was waiting to see what everyone else's response to Ivory was going to be!

DanTimis · Post by **DanTimis** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:44 am

customdigi wrote:OK, I'm gonna give this one more shot. I moved the vst plug ins, didn't copy them. Here is what seems to be happening to me. I disable the audio/midi on the receptor and enabled uniwire, so I know that whatever I am getting back from the unit is through uniwire. This time I was able to wrap the plugins...when I instantiate in Pro Tools 7.1, the Uniwire plug is STILL only able to pass audio at 1024 in PT, 2048 on receptor. I can change the PT buffer to 256, reinstantiate the plug, and Receptor automatically sets itstelf to 512. Great, I thought. It works...it was receiving midi and I could see level in the mixer on the receptor GUI. GREAT! But it wasn't coming back to the host. So it was passing midi to the receptor, triggering audio, but not returning audio back via uniwire. If I enable the audio interface on receptor, it does THEN return the audio, but that isn't the point of uniwire . I'm gonna try the deal one more time. If you want, Id be happy to try the new version of the plugin...ya know, eliminate the variables. (Actually, I'm begging!)

That is strange. It should be the other way around. If you enable the Receptor audio card, then chances are that you need to increase the latency in the UniWire latency popup to hear the audio coming back. That mode is slightly less performant.

If you disable the card, then you should be able to use the smallest latency, which is twice the buffer size.

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