Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!
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- KVRAF
- 2841 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Planet Earth...for now
Everytime I see this thread topic pop up on the right screen list the title makes me laugh, and my immediate mental response is "Yeah Right! what an F'n joke!
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- KVRist
- 172 posts since 10 Oct, 2005
I fear the talk about the actual sound quality of AT2 won't last 242 pages...Hink wrote:no but we need something to talk aboutMelodioso wrote:..what is the fuss all about?
Has the demo for AT2 been released yet? Is AT2 available?
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- KVRAF
- 2841 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Planet Earth...for now
Of course, in the 'frikin ridiculous' category, this one's catching up with AT
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
we're guitarists...what do you expect?1-2-Many wrote:Of course, in the 'frikin ridiculous' category, this one's catching up with AT
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
...what if we were drummers? 
Oh nevermind, that could never happen...half of them can't read and the other half can't write.... The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
Scenario 1: Gigging musician using laptop with software protected by C/R, serials etc. has his laptop stolen/lost.
Bummer he has to spend a couple of grand on a new laptop & reinstall his software etc.
Scenario 2: Gigging musician using laptop with software protected by dongle has his laptop stolen/lost.
Bummer he has to spend a couple of grand on a new laptop & then has to spend god knows how much money on buying all his software again - because the dongle is his licence to use the software & without it he cannot just reinstall the software, get new C/R keys etc, for his new system, even though he has all the receipts & the actual physical product (disks, boxes etc.).
Insurance? - from what I have seen is problematic, even if it can be insured that's another cost for the consumer, will probably be expensive due to the fact he's on the road & it's fairly specialised & once used his premiums will rocket.
For instance a laptop (I used to work in car insurance) would be partially covered by car insurance (if stolen from a car) unless a specialised insurer was willing to give extra (relatively expensive) cover.
A dongle with the value associated with it?
That is my main issue with dongles in a nutshell, & I don't gig myself, I am just imagining the gut renching horror of that particular scenario.
Fair enough hardware can be lost/stolen - but it's a bit harder for it to 'fall out of ones pocket' or for a thief to slip into his pocket - no?
the dongle being needed to use the software - fair enough (I guess, with reservations), but the dongle in a very real sense actually being the software, as it can't be replaced if lost etc. - a new one (with new software) having to be purchased - mix that up with restrictions on resale, restrictions on returns 'once opened' etc - some people want to have their cake, eat it , eat your cake & then have you bake another cake for them - or so it seems to me.
where are consumer rights in all this?
I am kind of hoping that someone does encounter this scenario & then takes it to the courts under european law, as I can't see this standing up in court - it seems too unfair, too unjust.
If the future does entail more & more software utilising pace & synchrosoft dongle protection the chances of this happening will increase.
Then again maybe a few companies with some sense will realise/are realising this & will stick with more just systems & I hope that their businesses prosper as a result.
Bummer he has to spend a couple of grand on a new laptop & reinstall his software etc.
Scenario 2: Gigging musician using laptop with software protected by dongle has his laptop stolen/lost.
Bummer he has to spend a couple of grand on a new laptop & then has to spend god knows how much money on buying all his software again - because the dongle is his licence to use the software & without it he cannot just reinstall the software, get new C/R keys etc, for his new system, even though he has all the receipts & the actual physical product (disks, boxes etc.).
Insurance? - from what I have seen is problematic, even if it can be insured that's another cost for the consumer, will probably be expensive due to the fact he's on the road & it's fairly specialised & once used his premiums will rocket.
For instance a laptop (I used to work in car insurance) would be partially covered by car insurance (if stolen from a car) unless a specialised insurer was willing to give extra (relatively expensive) cover.
A dongle with the value associated with it?
That is my main issue with dongles in a nutshell, & I don't gig myself, I am just imagining the gut renching horror of that particular scenario.
Fair enough hardware can be lost/stolen - but it's a bit harder for it to 'fall out of ones pocket' or for a thief to slip into his pocket - no?
the dongle being needed to use the software - fair enough (I guess, with reservations), but the dongle in a very real sense actually being the software, as it can't be replaced if lost etc. - a new one (with new software) having to be purchased - mix that up with restrictions on resale, restrictions on returns 'once opened' etc - some people want to have their cake, eat it , eat your cake & then have you bake another cake for them - or so it seems to me.
where are consumer rights in all this?
I am kind of hoping that someone does encounter this scenario & then takes it to the courts under european law, as I can't see this standing up in court - it seems too unfair, too unjust.
If the future does entail more & more software utilising pace & synchrosoft dongle protection the chances of this happening will increase.
Then again maybe a few companies with some sense will realise/are realising this & will stick with more just systems & I hope that their businesses prosper as a result.
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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 3 Jul, 2005 from The Realm of Possibilities
Actually, with IK's scheme, you are still required to register and there's C/R and it's all tied to the license on your key. So, I'm just guessing here because it's theoretical after alldiverdee wrote:Scenario 2: Gigging musician using laptop with software protected by dongle has his laptop stolen/lost.
Bummer he has to spend a couple of grand on a new laptop & then has to spend god knows how much money on buying all his software again - because the dongle is his licence to use the software & without it he cannot just reinstall the software, get new C/R keys etc, for his new system, even though he has all the receipts & the actual physical product (disks, boxes etc.).
but with all that, I bet IK support could have you back up as soon as you have a new key. They allow you to get multiple authorizations and I don't know if you could d/l the license but I'll wager it's a good bet you can.I know I d/l my Cubase SE3 license onto an IK iKey.
Certainly an incentive to register.
Play what you feel and feel what you play.
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- KVRAF
- 4867 posts since 18 Dec, 2000
what does happen if your dongle is stolen? I think in the case of cubase you would have to buy a new license.
what about with amplitube2?
dw
what about with amplitube2?
dw
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
yeah I can't imagine any company not giving you new codes in case of such things...just save all your info and yes...by all means register everything....I know if I lost my key and antares gave me a hard time I would just hit them with a 30 day demand letter, then if that failed I'd hit with small claims court...there's no way I would lose...and furthermore, why would they spend the money to defend it? When it costs them nothing to give me a new code, and they wouldn't win anyhow....beergeek wrote:Actually, with IK's scheme, you are still required to register and there's C/R and it's all tied to the license on your key. So, I'm just guessing here because it's theoretical after alldiverdee wrote:Scenario 2: Gigging musician using laptop with software protected by dongle has his laptop stolen/lost.
Bummer he has to spend a couple of grand on a new laptop & then has to spend god knows how much money on buying all his software again - because the dongle is his licence to use the software & without it he cannot just reinstall the software, get new C/R keys etc, for his new system, even though he has all the receipts & the actual physical product (disks, boxes etc.).
I know I d/l my Cubase SE3 license onto an IK iKey.
Certainly an incentive to register.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
I know with SX the policy is lost dongle = buy a new copy.
It would be useful to know what the policy of other dongle using companies is.
It would be useful to know what the policy of other dongle using companies is.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I wonder if they would defend it though...I mean let's just talk here in the states...laws on warranties, return policies and such vary from state to state to begin with...if you live a good ways away from them, they would have to travel to you to defend a suit...if they did the cost of the trip for one person might cost more than they would make off a second license....if it were close to them would still probably cost them more than they would make...and unlike with hardware they have no capitol to give up by settling.diverdee wrote:I know with SX the policy is lost dongle = buy a new copy.
It would be useful to know what the policy of other dongle using companies is.
Remember I stuck to monster cable for one lousy cable until I got the cable I deserved...I'm willing to bet I would come the winner in a case like this...I call it being a demanding customer, my friends call it my hidden gift, but I rarely lose in such situations...on the other hand I am also a very loyal customer...unless that company crosses me...
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Fwiw, I allready mentioned the lost Cubase dongle issue, happening to some gal on the german Cubase list.
It's now been taken to one of the most serious german computer mags (C't) and probably it'll even make it to some court if anything else fails.
Rightly so!
Seriously, they're just a bunch of liars. As said before as well, the software seems to be of no worth at all. It's all about the dongle. It doesn't say so anywhere, but that's the hard facts.
And now, someone please tell me again about the advances for us users in using a dongle.
It's now been taken to one of the most serious german computer mags (C't) and probably it'll even make it to some court if anything else fails.
Rightly so!
Seriously, they're just a bunch of liars. As said before as well, the software seems to be of no worth at all. It's all about the dongle. It doesn't say so anywhere, but that's the hard facts.
And now, someone please tell me again about the advances for us users in using a dongle.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
you get to use the word dongleSascha Franck wrote:Fwiw, I allready mentioned the lost Cubase dongle issue, happening to some gal on the german Cubase list.
It's now been taken to one of the most serious german computer mags (C't) and probably it'll even make it to some court if anything else fails.
Rightly so!
Seriously, they're just a bunch of liars. As said before as well, the software seems to be of no worth at all. It's all about the dongle. It doesn't say so anywhere, but that's the hard facts.
And now, someone please tell me again about the advances for us users in using a dongle.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
Fair point Hink, & I admire you for the way you stuck to your guns re: Monster Cable.
but imagine the scenario for a gigging musician who is attempting to make a living from this, hell maybe he only breaks even & does it for love & to escape the tedium of the day job.
How long would it take before he the case came to court etc. - likely seperate cases for variuos different companies from different areas of the world, different local laws etc.
All that time unable (potentially) to perform &/or compose as he has no access to the software he paid for (allegedly) as the licence receptacle (also allegedly) has been lost - unless he is willing to invest all that money again (if he has the funds).
Nightmare scenario, & in the case of SX this only really became relatively widespread knowledge due to the fate of the young lady Sascha mentioned & another couple of guys whose posts I read on the SX forums.
It is not made apparent on the packaging etc. & many forum members & admin were of the opinion 'tough - buy it again', an attitude I personally find reprehensible.
but imagine the scenario for a gigging musician who is attempting to make a living from this, hell maybe he only breaks even & does it for love & to escape the tedium of the day job.
How long would it take before he the case came to court etc. - likely seperate cases for variuos different companies from different areas of the world, different local laws etc.
All that time unable (potentially) to perform &/or compose as he has no access to the software he paid for (allegedly) as the licence receptacle (also allegedly) has been lost - unless he is willing to invest all that money again (if he has the funds).
Nightmare scenario, & in the case of SX this only really became relatively widespread knowledge due to the fate of the young lady Sascha mentioned & another couple of guys whose posts I read on the SX forums.
It is not made apparent on the packaging etc. & many forum members & admin were of the opinion 'tough - buy it again', an attitude I personally find reprehensible.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
and what is the difference between that and a gigging musician getting ripped of all their guitars and amps? It happened to mediverdee wrote:Fair point Hink, & I admire you for the way you stuck to your guns re: Monster Cable.
but imagine the scenario for a gigging musician who is attempting to make a living from this, hell maybe he only breaks even & does it for love & to escape the tedium of the day job.
How long would it take before he the case came to court etc. - likely seperate cases for variuos different companies from different areas of the world, different local laws etc.
All that time unable (potentially) to perform &/or compose as he has no access to the software he paid for (allegedly) as the licence receptacle (also allegedly) has been lost - unless he is willing to invest all that money again (if he has the funds).
Nightmare scenario, & in the case of SX this only really became relatively widespread knowledge due to the fate of the young lady Sascha mentioned & another couple of guys whose posts I read on the SX forums.
It is not made apparent on the packaging etc. & many forum members & admin were of the opinion 'tough - buy it again', an attitude I personally find reprehensible.
...I do see your point though, but tbh if such a theft occurs you lose a lot more than just the software...things that can't be replaced sometimes...The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
The difference is that losing hardware isn't as easy as dongle slipping out of a pocket/bag etc. - & it's lost dongles that are the problem, stolen ones slightly less so.
Insurance for bulky hardware is also a little more straightforward (i've been discussing this with our lass who works in insurance claims).
There are pros & cons with hardware (cons - bulky, harder to in tegrate etc. pros - sound quality, good for live, tactile & easy to resell, 30 day returns etc.)& software (cons - restrictive resale on many items, 30 day return? Pros - portable, multiple instance use etc.)
In this case all the cons are apparent, but I don't perceive any pros?
Insurance for bulky hardware is also a little more straightforward (i've been discussing this with our lass who works in insurance claims).
There are pros & cons with hardware (cons - bulky, harder to in tegrate etc. pros - sound quality, good for live, tactile & easy to resell, 30 day returns etc.)& software (cons - restrictive resale on many items, 30 day return? Pros - portable, multiple instance use etc.)
In this case all the cons are apparent, but I don't perceive any pros?