LUNA Beta 4

[muzycian]

This is really dumb, but I'm stuck. At the moment my "test" sequence has the default 1 bar loop greyed out in the Composer window. That's fine but how doo I change the length & position of the loop area?

I can move it, but not put it back. Any help?

Just click and drag a zone in the timebar; That will become the new composer loop.

[Trapaki]

Hi Jo,

Is that so?
I think, as an application, you have the choice.
Closing the main window may be a way to exit the program.

Well it's just a way that applications under OSX works. Closing window doesn't mean closing program... but yeah, that's not that's not a really big problem.

The size of the text in a part is dependent on the part's height, and not of the track header's width. (hope i understood you well

I just ment that they are too big with close zoom

Well, that's almost on top of my whishlist too!

But soon i'll do a poll about this.

And PLEASE markers for looping and slicing!
That was a fantastic feature in Muzys

and kind of sound pool.
What do you exactly mean?
A pool from which you can select one of the audio files already used in the session?

Yes, a place when You can add samples without need to put them already in arrange window. To prepare, try out, edit and later use in composition by simple draging.

best wishes!

Piotr

[fycfung]

This new beta looks really cool!

I have two quick questions/comments on loops.
1. Is there an easy way to quantize the loop so it begins/ends on a measure line? Often I want to loop over measures (e.g., getting a drum line).

I'm not sure if i fully understand you.

Do you want to quantize a Part in the Composer or a Note in the Note Editor?

In fact, in both cases, when you drag a Part or Note, it's always quantized to the grid.

If you have recorded midi notes live, then you can open the Note Editor, right-click (osx: control-click) and choose "Quantize Notes".

2. I find the behavior of the piano roll's length relative to the length of the sequence part in the main window a bit confusing. If I make, say, a 2-measure part in the main window, and then start editing in the piano roll, I can add notes out further than 2 measures, but in the piano roll, the play will stop after two measures, and I won't know why. Probably if the piano roll is going to go on past the "longest length" of the sequence part, it would be useful to distinguish the "not used" part of the piano roll, e.g. make it a little greyer than the "active" part, or delineated with a thick vertical line.

I agree, will be improved!

I meant quantization of the loop's starting and ending points (i.e., the loop itself, not the notes in it). I found it a little too easy to get a loop that is, say, 4 1/16 measures long, and I can't seem to "edit" the start and end points of the loop, I have to draw a new loop. Does that make sense?
Thanks!

[muzycian]

What do you mean with "a loop"?

Is that a block in the composer (i.e. a part)?

In that case: move the arrow or pencil tool to the front or end of the part. Then it automatically turns into a pencil, and you can change the start or end of that part.

Does this answer your question?

[erik257]

Hi Jo

I don't know if it's on my side, but it doesn't play midi clips thru my VSTi. I can here my VSTi by clicking on the vertical keyboard in the piano roll, I can play my midi controller fine but when cursor moves over a midi note it doesn't produce any sound.

I've just found out that you have first to assign VSTi and than to create a midi clip. IMHO I think it should be the other way around.

Assigning different VSTi to the same clip doesn't work. It changes VSTi in the players window but it plays the original VSTi.

Jo I would suggest to make some use of mouse wheel.Mainly for scrolling, maybe changing digital values or Ctrl+mouse wheel for zooming.

That's all for now se ya

[fycfung]

What do you mean with "a loop"?

Is that a block in the composer (i.e. a part)?

In that case: move the arrow or pencil tool to the front or end of the part. Then it automatically turns into a pencil, and you can change the start or end of that part.

Does this answer your question?

Sorry that I'm not making myself clear. In the note editor (piano roll), I can click-drag at the very top, above the notes, to make a grey area within the set of notes, and then turn on the "looping" button, and then the play will loop through that grey area. I'm saying that this grey area seems somewhat hard to edit. Actually, now that I'm playing with it, it does seem to snap to the grid. I don't know why I was having problems before, but it seemed like it was easy to make it a little too long.

Anyway, the point I was making before is that you can draw that grey looping part in the piano roll, but "outside" the legal length of the part in the composer window, and then your attempt to play that looping part will fail, and there's no graphical indication in the note editor window as to why it failed.

Best wishes,
Francis

[muzycian]

Hi Jo

I don't know if it's on my side, but it doesn't play midi clips thru my VSTi. I can here my VSTi by clicking on the vertical keyboard in the piano roll, I can play my midi controller fine but when cursor moves over a midi note it doesn't produce any sound.

I've just found out that you have first to assign VSTi and than to create a midi clip. IMHO I think it should be the other way around.

Assigning different VSTi to the same clip doesn't work. It changes VSTi in the players window but it plays the original VSTi.

If you want to set the player for a part, right-click (osx: control-click) that part and "Choose Player".

The Player Panel at the top-right of the window indicates which player is used for your midi keyboard, and also as player when drawing new parts. The Player Panel automatically switches to the player of a selected part.

But up to now, changing the player in the Player Panel does not change the player of a selected part!

In fact, this was the case in the very first versions!

In the very first versions of Luna, when changing the player in the Player Panel, the player of the selected part was set.

That sounds as a great thing.

BUT at the other hand, it could also be frustrating as you could accidentally set the player of the selected part, because you just wanted to have another player on your keyboard.
(in which case you would have to unselect all parts first)

To be honnest, i'm not yet 100% convinced which of both strategies is best:

1) Player Panel only follows player of selected part
2) Player Panel follows player of selected part, and can also change it!

*** edit ***

I've put this question as a separate topic.

Jo I would suggest to make some use of mouse wheel.Mainly for scrolling, maybe changing digital values or Ctrl+mouse wheel for zooming.

Ok, on the whishlist.

[muzycian]

Sorry that I'm not making myself clear. In the note editor (piano roll), I can click-drag at the very top, above the notes, to make a grey area within the set of notes, and then turn on the "looping" button, and then the play will loop through that grey area. I'm saying that this grey area seems somewhat hard to edit. Actually, now that I'm playing with it, it does seem to snap to the grid. I don't know why I was having problems before, but it seemed like it was easy to make it a little too long.

Anyway, the point I was making before is that you can draw that grey looping part in the piano roll, but "outside" the legal length of the part in the composer window, and then your attempt to play that looping part will fail, and there's no graphical indication in the note editor window as to why it failed.

Best wishes,
Francis

Ah i see, thanks!

Well, in beta 5 you get a much better view on the actual played section of a sequence

[Trapaki]

Quote:

Jo I would suggest to make some use of mouse wheel.Mainly for scrolling, maybe changing digital values or Ctrl+mouse wheel for zooming.


Ok, on the whishlist.

... and also ZOOMING.

Please, consider also using horizontal scroling for zooming. Nowdays every touchpad and most new mices use this feature. It may be very handy for editing... quick zoom in/out is really essential regardless of display size.

P.

[muzycian]

Quote:

Jo I would suggest to make some use of mouse wheel.Mainly for scrolling, maybe changing digital values or Ctrl+mouse wheel for zooming.


Ok, on the whishlist.

... and also ZOOMING.

Please, consider also using horizontal scroling for zooming. Nowdays every touchpad and most new mices use this feature. It may be very handy for editing... quick zoom in/out is really essential regardless of display size.

P.

Will do!

[BaldByChoice]

Are there any screenshots of this new Beta (4)? I'm not on the Beta Team so I don't know how LUNA looks...

[muzycian]

Beta 5 is on its way out, so PM or email your email address and you can try it out live!

[BaldByChoice]

Beta 5 is on its way out, so PM or email your email address and you can try it out live!

You've got a new PM.