KVR Audio

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:07 pm

crimsonwarlock wrote:
TotcProductions wrote:No criticizm intended, this is true mr. Burel. With so many devices in our studios being powered by our computer via USB, it's eventually going to slow us down if we need to have a hub excepting all of those extra dongles...I've got 4 USB 2.0 Ports that come with my board...i've added a small hub to accomadate more, but the point is, they're all still going to the same ports, and things are gonna start slowing down because of that. I'm not suggesting you drop the dongle, it's obviously working well for you, but It looks like your dongle doesn't use the iLok system, so I'll need to take up another hub using yours.
See, it's even needed that we start to explain things like this. Isn't this becomming a bit stupid. Isn't it obvious already why people DON'T WANT DONGLES. Do we really need to draw pictures and give directions to devs that doesn't think about customers but about their revenu first. Don't you guys learn anything from a debacle like the Sony Rootkit stuff. No matter how you put it, copy protection is hurting any business more then piracy simply because it hurts the PAYING CUSTOMER.

Damit, I didn't want to get cought in a dongle debate, I stayed away from the Arturia thing. I was just interested in the Striptool plugins, not knowing (then) that they where dongled as well. When Vincent Burel came into this discussion I thought I would be able to discuss this issue with him in a constructive manner. I only stated I didn't want to use a dongle and I got a very unfair treatment in return.

Well, my feet are back on solid ground with the realisation that not only KVR's community but the developer community as well is a cross-section of society as a whole

Yes, we completely understand the fact that it's all been said, over and over again, to every single developer that pops his or her head in the door. I take it you're an educated man, and if so you should know that repetition is powerful. Regardless of whether or not a few people feel it's "old", bringing it up again and again to developers shows that it's still a concern of the public. Regardless of whether they take action, it still shows the numbers of people against it or for it...etc..etc..etc. Of course it's a cross-section of society as a whole...we all live in society no?

And, as far as you wanting to have a conversation with the developer...if you didn't want A PUBLIC FORUM to get involved, then you should have contacted the developer IN PRIVATE.

Peace

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:08 pm

Yes, I feel better now.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:52 pm

Ack, I'm sorry to see where this thread went

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I have nothing against those of you that don't like dongles, but still can't figure out why you think it's ok for you to pass judgement on how someone else does business. VB gave you a great FREE tool, with an option to get a more advanced version if you are willing to use a dongle. No one is pointing a gun at your head. VB took a beating early on with the initial VST world and then found a way to protect his personal investement FOR HIM.

Anyhow, I appreciate VBs work. I wish the industry could support this type of small developer better.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:55 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:Ack, I'm sorry to see where this thread went .

I have nothing against those of you that don't like dongles, but still can't figure out why you think it's ok for you to pass judgement on how someone else does business. VB gave you a great FREE tool, with an option to get a more advanced version if you are willing to use a dongle. No one is pointing a gun at your head. VB took a beating early on with the initial VST world and then found a way to protect his personal investement FOR HIM.

Anyhow, I appreciate VBs work. I wish the industry could support this type of small developer better.

Amen.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:57 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
Anyhow, I appreciate VBs work.

As do I, hence why I entered this thread in the first place. I was happy to see he was still developing. I just wanted to make sure the dongle system he used was compatible with ilok system dongles so I won't have to have yet another USB port taken up. I can store the license on one of my current dongles should I purchase from him. It's that simple.

Again, the perils of posting things on a public forum.

Anyway, back to VB....I think it's great that you're making VS3 compatible plugins. I had seen a few big name ones, and then it seemed as if developers stopped making third part plugs. Makes me curious if there are other lesser known dev's out there making them.

Lastly, one more question for you Vincent. When you buy a VST/DX plugin from your site that has a VS3 counterpart, are you getting all 3 formats in the purhcase, or must one pay a seperate fee for the VS3 version?

Thanks

OldGeezer · Post by **OldGeezer** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:20 pm

diverdee wrote:Doesn't sonar have the ultrafunk sonitus eq included & integrated as a channel eq?

Yes and no. Sonar4 Producer edition has those high-end Sonitus FX and integrated channel EQs. Sonar4 Studio edition (what I'm using) most certainly does not. Maybe that's changed with Sonar5....? Producer is considerably more expensive. Just about any EQ inserted into the FX strip works for me though...like Cakewalk's FX EQ...you can tell it how many bands to use. But yeah, it'd be nice to have'em built in without having to pop up an interface.

If you want some high-end-sounding FX, and you haven't gotten too used to Sonar, you may want to check out FL Studio 6...as long as you don't use any UVI engine-based VSTs (UVI has a bug that FL does not like). It has built-in per channel 3-band highly tweakable EQs (really nice ones at that)

Edit: Woops...I didn't notice this thread had more than one page...sorry if everything I've said is redundant.

jackson · Post by **jackson** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:32 pm

OldGeezer wrote:
diverdee wrote:Doesn't sonar have the ultrafunk sonitus eq included & integrated as a channel eq?
Yes and no. Sonar4 Producer edition has those high-end Sonitus FX and integrated channel EQs. Sonar4 Studio edition (what I'm using) most certainly does not. Maybe that's changed with Sonar5....? Producer is considerably more expensive. Just about any EQ inserted into the FX strip works for me though...like Cakewalk's FX EQ...you can tell it how many bands to use. But yeah, it'd be nice to have'em built in without having to pop up an interface.

If you want some high-end-sounding FX, and you haven't gotten too used to Sonar, you may want to check out FL Studio 6...as long as you don't use any UVI engine-based VSTs (UVI has a bug that FL does not like). It has built-in per channel 3-band highly tweakable EQs (really nice ones at that)

Edit: Woops...I didn't notice this thread had more than one page...sorry if everything I've said is redundant.

Ha, far from it, it was about the only relevant reply in the whole thread

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:59 pm

Oooh! The original subject returns! I'd say VB Striptool v1 is by far the best bet for a track insert tool for free. I tried to find something like it, but the only options are paid ones.

Vincent Burel · Post by **Vincent Burel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:12 pm

TotcProductions wrote:I just wanted to make sure the dongle system he used was compatible with ilok system dongles so I won't have to have yet another USB port taken up. I can store the license on one of my current dongles should I purchase from him.

No, you need my dongle, you cannot activate my license through iLock scheme, you need mine. But i meant they are compatible by the fact they can be plugged on the same USB HUB and you can use plug-in protected by iLock and mine in the same host audio software...

When you buy a VST/DX plugin from your site that has a VS3 counterpart, are you getting all 3 formats in the purhcase, or must one pay a seperate fee for the VS3 version?

No, these are two different series of product... The VS3 series is actually not described but it's nearly the same than the DX-VST one... Of course if you need both VS3 and Native DX-VST version we can make special offer...

Regards
Vincent Burel

OldGeezer · Post by **OldGeezer** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:31 pm

That Striptools looks nice, but the splashscreen during install said "Full Demo Version. For evalutation purposes only" so I aborted. I know I'm a old goody two-shoes, but it'd bug me to actually use it in a final mix to be posted on the net, and I'm not buying anything more for this hobby for a good long time.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:54 pm

OldGeezer wrote:That Striptools looks nice, but the splashscreen during install said "Full Demo Version. For evalutation purposes only" so I aborted. I know I'm a old goody two-shoes, but it'd bug me to actually use it in a final mix to be posted on the net, and I'm not buying anything more for this hobby for a good long time.

Is that for the v1 demo?? You don't get that splashcreen again at all!

OldGeezer · Post by **OldGeezer** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:15 pm

bduffy wrote: Is that for the v1 demo?? You don't get that splashcreen again at all!

Yup. You may not get it again, but you do get it during install, which is enough for me. I like the fact that some companies like Cakewalk still just give you a serial number on the CD case...Or even Imageline who give you an unlock key that you can save. No dongles, no low-level driver monitoring. So I do my part in return by honoring the wishes, when specified, of software developers. I'm kinda nuts that way, heh heh. I'm certainly not trying to start a debate though, not criticizing, to each their own.

Vincent Burel · Post by **Vincent Burel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:21 pm

OldGeezer wrote:That Striptools looks nice, but the splashscreen during install said "Full Demo Version. For evalutation purposes only" so I aborted. I know I'm a old goody two-shoes, but it'd bug me to actually use it in a final mix to be posted on the net, and I'm not buying anything more for this hobby for a good long time.

this is a kind of legal mention to avoid some confusion and to notify to the user that it's free. otherwise some people, harmfull or idiot, could sell it without any problem, maybe to you

Incredible ! This Thread is Incredible !
Vincent Burel

OldGeezer · Post by **OldGeezer** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:32 pm

That's a mighty interesting interpretation ;o)

"Full demo version, For evaluation purposes only" seems, pretty clearly to me, to be directed at the user, not would-be distributers, who are adressed fully in the licence agreement part of the install.

Wether a splash-screen is vetoed because it's not repeated in the licence agreement, I'm not sure, but it'd be nice to see their intentions for V.1 stipulated more clearly in the licence agreement (ie. Either instructing the user to disregard the splash-creen notice, or repeating the notice).

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:48 pm

Oldgeezer, that is just bizarre. The developer doesn't care if you use it permanently - in fact, you could be carrying out an ongoing "evaluation"! If he doesn't put a time-limit on it, then you can use it as long and however you choose.

I guess you really obey every single law, eh?

Anything else like VB-striptool (free) ?