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Sascha Franck wrote:I wouldn't happen to know.
Sure, I could as well just hire some personal space for around 10-20€ (there's quite some reasonable offers), but this is exactly what I wouldn't like to do (let alone my webdesign skills being less than even existing). I really love the idea of everybody being able to participate and having everything sorted in some nice forum-style thing.
Oh yes, there will allways be freeloaders, but perhaps these costs could be covered somehow.
See, while I perfectly understand things, I don't exactly like restricted stuff. In order to build up a nice, interactive sample sharing system there need to be a lot of people contributing. Restrictions will keep quite some of them away.
That's why I'd rather pay for the freeloaders as well than keeping possibly worthwhile contributors out.
Sascha it will with certainly eradicate good content from the internet by taking the actions I am currently following - I will be removing the good content and along the way adding restrictions - so in essence change the broadness of the auditorium to a more refined membership.

The Auditorium grew because it was both free and open (as open as it can be on the internet) guys need to log in to upload or post. Big files needed a block, so guys needed to log in to access them - having big files wide open on the net takes even the most powerful of servers down, pretty fast with popular content.

If there was a way a funding scheme could be devised on a monthly basis by enofe people who share the similar ideas of free but good content, and don't mind paying for the freeloading. Then I could reverse the actions and carry on building up the auditorium as it was.

If I can get a number of people interested in that - I can then work out a funding scope and offer different subscription payments to those that wish to sponsor on a monthly basis - not all will be able to afford as much - but a number (some paying more than others - selectable payment option from a page) it could very well work. Those that pay are in fact supporting the auditorium and all those that cannot pay (as they simply cannot due to no work, illness etc) and also fund the freeloaders (the nameless mass downloader)

I will put something up on the internet and make an announcement - with subscription payment options - Edit - I will try it like that with an open end.

I will try this, and refine it as it goes, from feedback etc.

Best regards,

Peter
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hey now, I'm a freeloader, but have been considering putting up a website just in the interest of paying for my useage there. My web-designing skills are right up there with the worst of them, and I had no intention of actually creating a page.

i.e. I'm willing to add $10 per month for abusing your bandwidth.
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Thank you dunder :)

Freeloaders are an entirely different thing to you, I can assure you. :)

Best regards,

Peter

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Ok I nearly done a 'Become an Auditorium Sponsor' Page with PayPal buttons that offer monthly Subscriptions - rather than put time limits on - I am going to take a gamble that there will be a number of Sponsors - I have had a couple of emails too - so it looks promising - I think putting a time limit on will be detrimental to the whole long term idea. It would be good to get as many Sponsors as possible.

On the page I created USA buttons of $10, $20, $30, $40 - the bulk of visitors are USA based.

I also created Euro Buttons of 10, 15, and 20 amounts.

They will happen each month, but the subscriber can cancel at any time - I was considering a refund option, but the paypal charges and conversation rates would make it into a nightmare if I went with the original idea.

So in a way this is a gamble. Personally I would like to keep the forum growing - and this would certainly help take it there, in a strange way it would distance me from the negative aspects as the overall running costs are shared - so that would mean being a bit bolder with its development, rather than making and turning it into a reclusive one

Best regards,

Peter

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Ok I have done a small announcement in The Auditorium here

http://the-auditorium.net/viewtopic.php?t=4118

In there is a link to a page I done on the net with a number of paypal subscription buttons.

Thank you guys, :)

Best regards,

Peter

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Don't think I've used your service. Yet. But I ought to get paid today and will see what I can manage. Might be interested in some web hosting too; can't seem to get around to having my own servers reinstalled at the data center I used to use.
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Gonna go for some sponsoring as soon as I'm back home (next thursday) from touring.
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Thank you guys :)

I would like to offer something for the Sponsors as they essentially will help so much in keeping everything free for everyone else - I just don't know what though, apart from keeping The Auditorium going, which it what its all about.

So a big thank you indeed :)

Best regards,

Peter

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Sascha Franck wrote:I wouldn't happen to know.
Sure, I could as well just hire some personal space for around 10-20€ (there's quite some reasonable offers), but this is exactly what I wouldn't like to do (let alone my webdesign skills being less than even existing). I really love the idea of everybody being able to participate and having everything sorted in some nice forum-style thing.
Oh yes, there will allways be freeloaders, but perhaps these costs could be covered somehow.
See, while I perfectly understand things, I don't exactly like restricted stuff. In order to build up a nice, interactive sample sharing system there need to be a lot of people contributing. Restrictions will keep quite some of them away.
That's why I'd rather pay for the freeloaders as well than keeping possibly worthwhile contributors out.

Exactly the reason we (re)built our site. Thanks to our sponsors we are able to have unlimited bandwith and as we are big supporters of exchanging free stuf, we want to contribute to this.
It is our soul conviction that freeware and free sound should stay completly free, so we offer the free hosting for it.

Now all we need to make this going are the contributions...
All contributions are welcome at www.kara-moon.com and you can make propositions at our forum.

remark, this doesn't mean that I don't agree with Peter about sponsoring the auditorium. The auditorium is a great place to show of your music and have comments on it, so that is worth sponsoring it !

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I seen it all now - that's for sure.


I am actually going to stop the sponsor idea - refund the five that made a sponsor donation if they would like - make a subscription only area where guys need to pay to use the service and have a limited free aspect - but still keep the core auditorium - and continue with my original plans. in essence get rid of the chaff, and streamline the auditorium.

Sorry guys - I give it a go at sponsorship - its not going to work.

Best regards,

Peter

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I'm sorry that I didn't point out this correlation earlier.
I <3 The Auditorium.

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Just to point out - that I have no connection at all with Rony's (Kara's site) as its not exactly clear in Ronys constructed post there.
runagate wrote:I'm sorry that I didn't point out this correlation earlier.
I <3 The Auditorium.
Thank you runagate :)

Best regards,

Peter

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understand your point, and just wish to thank you for keeping it going as long as you did

from one perspective, they're 'annoying freeloaders' -

maybe at some point, they become contributors -

but basically, many of them are just people who want to make some music, be recognised or whatever, and don't want to have to jump thru hoops to do it.

i don't know how it goes for other people, but when i look for samples, it seems like i have to go thru tons of bullshit.. log-ins, d/ling one wav at a time, waiting for loads of windows to open on a crappy connex.. rare to find a bunch of good samples all in one place you can actually get for free..

..that's not a bad thing. people might have foolish dreams, but what else have they got in this day and age..

thanks while it lasted :)
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I think donation subscriptions are appropriate for those who feel a sense of reward in the philathropist's role, but for the greater majority, an option for individual(as in one at a time) donations is far more likely to be utilized, Spe3D.

Just food for thought.
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