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[chrishurley]

perhaps there is a tiny mic on a FET or something. :)

[Muzik 4 Machines]

i agree that the speaker sim is weak in the gt2 when recording,but playing thru monnitors or (the best) my tube amp on a clean setting,it truely rocks
i personaly use a speaker sim when i record it

[MrM]

I was wondering, what is a better routing for recording:

situation a)
GTR -> DI
from DI to ADC and from DAC to POD to ADC for wet recording, plus;
from DI to ADC for dry recording.

Or situation b)
GTR to ADC (using high Z input) for dry recording plus;
DAC to POD to ADC for wet recording.

BTW, I already have the POD, so situation B is preferred, but is A better?

[mman]

I was wondering, what is a better routing for recording:

situation a)
GTR -> DI
from DI to ADC and from DAC to POD to ADC for wet recording, plus;
from DI to ADC for dry recording.

Or situation b)
GTR to ADC (using high Z input) for dry recording plus;
DAC to POD to ADC for wet recording.

BTW, I already have the POD, so situation B is preferred, but is A better?

When coming out from computer, I beleive the best thing would be to convert balanced line level signal to unbalanced guitar level signal. This way you can plug such a signal back into your amp and mic the hell out of it. This process is called reamping.
To do this, you would need something like this:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=153909

.... ah I found it.... read this...
http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showf ... t=1#245719

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When coming out from computer, I beleive the best thing would be to convert balanced line level signal to unbalanced guitar level signal.

Okay so first what does balanced have to do with it...really there is no such thing as a balance to unbalanced converter...just use t/s, not trs.

Second, define "guitar level signal"...are you talking impedance? If you are, then most guitar amps/sims/processors inputs will take what goes in. A DI is used to match impedance going into a mixer/soundcard. One of the reasons I like active guitars is that they are low impedance and do not need a DI, but at the same time I do not need a transformer or anything to plug my guitar into any amp. So I'm guessing the gimmick at MF you linked to is more of a send/return box

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Radial is a splitter (I just read the info on the page), it's not used coming out of the pc...it's so you can drive two amps, or drive an amp to monitor and split the signal so you can also record the guitar's dry signal...too bad, I was hoping it was a send/return device for the pc, that would be nice seeing I have a lot of hardware....

EDIT, I was wrong it is a splitter for after the fact...it's is for recorded tracks...but it's still just a splitter and uses an analog signal...

[mman]

Okay so first what does balanced have to do with it...really there is no such thing as a balance to unbalanced converter...just use t/s, not trs.

... really. I wonder what you will say when you see this:
http://www.jam-world.de/Musik/Mman/level_to_guitar.pdf

A DI is used to match impedance going into a mixer/soundcard. One of the reasons I like active guitars is that they are low impedance and do not need a DI, but at the same time I do not need a transformer or anything to plug my guitar into any amp.

Did I say coming out of the computer or into it...

OK maybe I didn't explain it right. I'm talking about reamping here. Did you read the soundonsound thread, I thought it was really clear.

[mman]

Radial is a splitter (I just read the info on the page), it's not used coming out of the pc...it's so you can drive two amps, or drive an amp to monitor and split the signal so you can also record the guitar's dry signal...too bad, I was hoping it was a send/return device for the pc, that would be nice seeing I have a lot of hardware....

EDIT, I was wrong it is a splitter for after the fact...it's is for recorded tracks...but it's still just a splitter and uses an analog signal...

...
allows a prerecorded track from a line level device to drive 2 guitar amplifiers or effect pedals simultaneously.
....

The PC is like line level device and than you can connect to two guitar amplifiers... now that is called reamping.



but I might be wrong, who knows

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you know if balanced gear was left out of daws no one would notice it missing. Balanced has nothing to do with the hot signal, it was designed for groundloop issues...issue that arose when daisy chaining fx and hardware. I still do not see the need for a converter, hot/cold/ground if using trs...other wise if using ts the cold and ground are both negative and make the same connection. Besides the diagram, can you show me any commercial device that is used just for going from balanced to unbalanced? (note I did not say the other way around)

Please read my edit in my second post, what I said about the computer is the same thing you just said, except I used the word analog instead of line level.



thanx for explaining re-amping too me...

[championrabbit]

Balanced has nothing to do with the hot signal, it was designed for groundloop issues.

This isn't true.

It was designed to negate interference from external sources. It's perfectly possible to suffer from groundloop issues whilst using balanced gear/connections.

[mman]

OK, the key here is not just balance to unbalance but lowZ to highZ too.

"Radial" is not just a splitter it's a impedance converter also.
from the Redail spec:
Input impedance: 600 Ohms
Output impedance: 5K-Ohms

that means it has some kind of impedance transformer like that Jensen JT-11p in the picture. It may not be exactly that but it's pretty close. JT-11p is one of the best I hear.

Some other products:
http://www.reamp.com/
http://www.littlelabs.com/pip.html
http://www.littlelabs.com/redeye.html


and here you will find some good info:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun04/a ... 0604-3.htm

I started to research this problem when I tried to feed my amp with the line out from my PC. I'm not an expert here but all this make sanse to me. Amp is not designed (at least mine is not) to take lowZ input signal.

but like I said I could be wrong.

[Lunch Money]

It was designed to negate interference from external sources. It's perfectly possible to suffer from groundloop issues whilst using balanced gear/connections.

Gotta agree with this one.

Also, by virtue of sending 2 signals that get summed, amplitude IS affected, whether that was its intended design or not.

Greg

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It was designed to negate interference from external sources. It's perfectly possible to suffer from groundloop issues whilst using balanced gear/connections.

Gotta agree with this one.

Also, by virtue of sending 2 signals that get summed, amplitude IS affected, whether that was its intended design or not.

Greg

but the signal isn't getting summed......CR may be more correct than I, but I was taught that it was designed for groundloop issues...and when I sold hardware that was the standard thinking, but interference would make sense as well...but the amplitude is no effected, with balanced cables the only difference is what you do not hear...which by default may and I repeat may make a difference if an issue is present...otherwise a balanced cable will not carry more signal than a unbalanced. If it did every hot guitar would have balanced outs...Greg do any guitars you own have balanced outputs? You know if guitarists can get anything hotter they're all over it. Balanced is two negatives, not summing..

OK, the key here is not just balance to unbalance but lowZ to highZ too.

that's precisely what I was saying, I wondered for a minute if there was a language barrier. Impedance matching and balanced are miles apart...that's what confused me about your original post. But when re-amping I'm still a little confused about why it would matter, at least when sending to the amp(s). There was a time amps had hi/low inputs but much of todays stuff doesn't. Like say a pod, I have both active and passive guitars. Active are lo-z, passive are high-z, but there's only one input on my Marshall, my POD2.0, and my xt live.... Going into soundcards or mixers might be a different story depending on their features...

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Audio lines in which the signal current is not carried by the cable shield of a shielded cable. This requires two conductors for the signal, enclosed in a shield, with neither conductor connected to the shield. The circuit utilizes two identical conductors operated so that the voltages on each of them are equal in magnitude, but opposite in polarity with respect to ground. Compare with unbalanced line

unbalanced lines : Any transmission line in which the two conductors are at different potentials with respect to ground. In an unbalanced connection, the ground conductor does double-duty, completing the electrical circuit and serving as a shield. Compare with balanced line

see greg...the current isn't effected...however the sheild doesn't do two things when using balanced...the sheild sheilds and the second negative carries the ground signal to complete the signal. When you put them together unbalanced the signal isn't getting summed, does that explain it better?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_audio

another source, which also makes CR more correct than me, as it says it also prevents groundloops...sor CR would be right in saying that I was mistaken by saying it was designed to stop groundloops, but the prevention of groundlooops is another common use for balanced cables. Still, like I said, in the world od DAWs balanced is really often just a non-issue they can list as a feature...)